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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostI am not sure why you are incapable of grasping that good NTs play much more than 20%-30% of their team's defensive snaps regardless of defensive formation. Poe played something like 93% of his team's defensive snaps last year. In recent years, Ngata and Raji have played well over 70% of their team's defensive snaps. Jamal played somewhere around two-thirds of our defensive snaps when we had him in the 3-4.
I have been discussing getting a good NT, not a NT that sucks. In FA, that means Soliai, who would play about 50-55% of our snaps. In the draft, that means Nix, who would get a large percentage of snaps this year and even more in the few years following that.
Now maybe you can just admit that you are wrong or you could try to argue that KC only played nickel about 7% of the time.
Soliai is even less of a pass rusher, he is clearly coming off the field in nickel downs, so not sure why you think he would play more with us.
Nix likely would play some DT snaps in nickel packages, but I doubt he would as a rookie over Liuget or Reyes. Again though, he's a first round pick. It's expected he's a stud. None of the FA guys are worth it IMO.Last edited by Beerman; 03-11-2014, 01:26 PM.
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A 34 D needs 2 good DL, who get most of the time. Now that we have Liuget and Reyes, we really don't need another, at least not a high priced guy. Just enough to add depth, but Lissemore and Guy, I thought, were pretty good depth players. Not awesome, but not a weakness either.
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Originally posted by Steve View PostAgain, you are obsessed with a meaningless statistic. Yes, it could be something in conjunction with other stats (passing especially), but those other stats are more important.
YPC is a great stat for comparing two different units. If you want to know who is the best run D, then YPC is the stat to go to. If we wanted to know who the best run D was among the AFC west, then it is the go to thing. But since that ranks right up there with the other meaningless stuff, why shoudl we give a crap.
But YPC doesn't mean anything by itself. Proof: By YOUR OWN ADMISSION -> we gave up the same # of points last year as this year (more or less). Now POINTS ALLOWED is the GOAL of DEFENSE, how is it that we should give a crap about YPC?
You have just proven you are wrong using your own evidence.
We fell off of a cliff in both YPC against and YPA against last year. That's a mathematical fact and it is very relevant.
It is incredible to me that you continue to be incapable of seeing multiple variables moving at once. This is just like your attempt to cite total rushing yards as if that defined our team as a rushing defense. You couldn't see the effect that the diminished rushing attempts had against us in that discussion and now you can't incorporate the effect of the 2012 offense versus the 2013 offense into the result of each defense.
With an offense that was leaps and bounds better than the offense was in 2012, the 2013 defense essentially surrendered the same gross points as the 2012 team did. Was this because the two defenses were about the same? Hell no. Sorry, but that is nothing short of idiocy. Do you really dispute that the 2013 offense helped our defense much more than the putrid 2012 offense did by giving away fewer turnovers and controlling the ball more?
Good grief! If there were two sprinters and one had to carry an anchor while other got to run on a forward moving walkway of the kind that is frequently observed in airports and they both finished with the same time, I could see you arguing that all that matters is that they finished with the same time and that you would not be concerned that factors other than the actual sprinting ability of the two runners is what you were really measuring with your cited stat. Do you see just how weak of an argument you are making?
You proved nothing except that you can make some pretty bad arguments.
Further, net points allowed should be considered. Our 2012 team forced 11 more turnovers and scored something like 7 defensive TDs, so their net points allowed per game was actually significantly better than the 2013 defense's net points allowed despite being saddled with a much worse offensive unit.
Stunning, just stunning.... :banghead:
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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostI am not sure why you are incapable of grasping that good NTs play much more than 20%-30% of their team's defensive snaps regardless of defensive formation. Poe played something like 93% of his team's defensive snaps last year. In recent years, Ngata and Raji have played well over 70% of their team's defensive snaps. Jamal played somewhere around two-thirds of our defensive snaps when we had him in the 3-4.
I have been discussing getting a good NT, not a NT that sucks. In FA, that means Soliai, who would play about 50-55% of our snaps. In the draft, that means Nix, who would get a large percentage of snaps this year and even more in the few years following that.
Now maybe you can just admit that you are wrong or you could try to argue that KC only played nickel about 7% of the time.Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
The Wasted Decade is done.
Build Back Better.
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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostThis is quite possibly the weakest argument I have seen all year.
We fell off of a cliff in both YPC against and YPA against last year. That's a mathematical fact and it is very relevant.
We didn't give up more points, you said so yourself. That is the goal of defense, and the only true measure of defensive success. It seems like you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.
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Originally posted by Beerman View PostNgata plays DE and NT. Raji didn't even play NT the past 2 years buddy. They are essentially DE's in their schemes. Poe is a monster of an athlete, that's why he played so much. The Chiefs also don't have good pass rushing Ends. We do.
Soliai is even less of a pass rusher, he is clearly coming off the field in nickel downs, so not sure why you think he would play more with us.
Nix likely would play some DT snaps in nickel packages, but I doubt he would as a rookie over Liuget or Reyes. Again though, he's a first round pick. It's expected he's a stud. None of the FA guys are worth it IMO.Last edited by Yubaking; 03-11-2014, 02:01 PM.
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Originally posted by Steve View PostIt is a fact. How is that relevant?
We didn't give up more points, you said so yourself. That is the goal of defense, and the only true measure of defensive success. It seems like you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.
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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostI was not referring to last year. I said in recent years when each did play NT.
You want a 1st round stud NT that has the versatility to play run and pass downs. NONE of those were available in FA (they aren't even available at the back end of the first round, Poe was at 10 I think). Maybe they are available in the draft. Either way, none of your arguments were pertinent to the players available or even feasible to be signed given our cap space.
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