Official 2025 NFL Draft Superthread | Prospect Discussion

[Bolt4Knob]

Our resident draft gurus have always considered Zierlein very good.

Not anymore, apparently.

I guess he's no Bob McGinn .

So you do not want to hear what Lance had to say today.

He considers Jeanty the best player in this draft, and the player most likely to earn a Gold Jacket.

Go ahead...shoot the messenger.

Dane Brugler had Jeanty as a top 3 player on his board

Chargers not trading up for Jeanty isn't about the player Jeanty is - its about the cost to get him and the needs on the roster. Especially in a RB deep class

You take Jeanty and a bunch of 6th rounders
I will fill three needs -- one of which is a solid RB

[Bolt4Knob]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Chargers/co...are&utm_term=4

Worst kept secret.

If Allen is back - thats fine. I just hope its post draft, and at this point, it would be. And second, it shouldn't preclude the Chargers from taking a WR. And I would be ticked off if they pass on WR by R4 because Allen is coming back

[electricgold]

Dane Brugler had Jeanty as a top 3 player on his board

Chargers not trading up for Jeanty isn't about the player Jeanty is - its about the cost to get him and the needs on the roster. Especially in a RB deep class

You take Jeanty and a bunch of 6th rounders
I will fill three needs -- one of which is a solid RB

If you could trade this years 1 and next years 1 with a 3, or 4th or 5th this season and Jeanty turned into a generational RB it would be worth it! However it seems like the Chargers are set on seeing if Najee could be the workhorse franchise RB this season that fits Roman's O, under the assumption he was not used correctly in Pit's O! If he is he gets a long term deal.

It would therefore make sense to pick up a RB in this draft to fill the #2 rb role, as opposed to going all in for Jeanty.

[eaterfan]

If you could trade this years 1 and next years 1 with a 3, or 4th or 5th this season and Jeanty turned into a generational RB it would be worth it! However it seems like the Chargers are set on seeing if Najee could be the workhorse franchise RB this season that fits Roman's O, under the assumption he was not used correctly in Pit's O!

It would therefore make sense to pick up a RB in this draft to fill the #2 rb role, as opposed to going all in for Jeanty.

It probably wouldn't be worth it anyway. But it he doesn't, it's definitely not worth it.

Almost no one is with 2 1st round players unless they are a QB.

What are the odds that Jeanty turns out to be the best RB in the draft? 50% maybe. What are the odds he's better than Hampton? What are the odds he's better then Hampton and whoever is the Chargers 1st next year?

[wu-dai clan]

@ #55, @ #86 draft picks.

Hoarding Monopoly money.

[electricgold]

It probably wouldn't be worth it anyway. But it he doesn't, it's definitely not worth it.

Almost no one is with 2 1st round players unless they are a QB.

What are the odds that Jeanty turns out to be the best RB in the draft? 50% maybe. What are the odds he's better than Hampton? What are the odds he's better then Hampton and whoever is the Chargers 1st next year?

All true! That's the beauty of the draft! You never know until the player gets paid and drafted how they are going to turn out...

To me if we are going to trade up, an he were to fall to pick 13 or 15 which he probably won't, Id much rather look at Tyler Warren because he COULD be a TE that could translate to a bonafide weapon that Herbert's needed his whole career...

Otherwise just let the draft play out and see who falls to us.

[Bolt4Knob]

If you could trade this years 1 and next years 1 with a 3, or 4th or 5th this season and Jeanty turned into a generational RB it would be worth it! However it seems like the Chargers are set on seeing if Najee could be the workhorse franchise RB this season that fits Roman's O, under the assumption he was not used correctly in Pit's O! If he is he gets a long term deal.

It would therefore make sense to pick up a RB in this draft to fill the #2 rb role, as opposed to going all in for Jeanty.

Are the Chargers ONE player away from competing fora Super Bowl? I personally do not think so

No guarantees Jeanty turns into a generational RB. Now, the Falcons did do a similar move for Julio Jones and it worked. He was a good player - even got to ta Super Bowl
But I think at this point ,the best player on your offense is still Justin Herbert
Build up around him at more than one RB
That is a lot of draft capital you are giving up

[electricgold]

Are the Chargers ONE player away from competing fora Super Bowl? I personally do not think so

No guarantees Jeanty turns into a generational RB. Now, the Falcons did do a similar move for Julio Jones and it worked. He was a good player - even got to ta Super Bowl
But I think at this point ,the best player on your offense is still Justin Herbert
Build up around him at more than one RB
That is a lot of draft capital you are giving up

They could be ONE generational RB away from competing for a Superbowl. The Eagles were and they had the same record as the Chargers did the season before last..., and for Harbaugh to go where he wants to go in this O they need a workhorse RB!

The same could be said are the Chargers an extra first round pick and mid to late round pick away from competing for a superbowl. They could be, but maybe not.

Look at how the Rams gutted their picks and still competed for a Superbowl, and came very close every season.

[Boltnut]

Therein lies the entirety of the rub. Mr Day2 or Day3 Rookie might only not be just as good, he might be no good at all. Folks can point to their favorite 4th or 5th round starting OC, but they ignore the dozens of others that wash out. I remember Tuerk (was that his name, from UCLA I think?). And if Mr Rook is no good at all, Herbie has another long 17 games of fuck me until Joe gets to try again. Is it worth $6M to ensure Justin doesn’t suffer another 17 game fuck over? Has he suffered enough of those with shit OCs yet? Clary, Boze, … ffs, amiright?

I don’t know how this McGovern sub-thread got started, but any OC draft pick taken Rd3 or later is an IF proposition. McGov seems to be another fanciful thread filler exercise absent any facts to me - one of many as we await to learn what really will happen. Thats cool, it’s fun. This guy ain’t no pro bowler, but any OC with a proven NFL PFF grade of 70 goes to the top of the Charger depth chart the day they issue him a locker and pads.

one thing is - watching real football every weekend every year - NO TEAM gets all of their rookies to play and contribute. No GM hits on every pick. None. Which ones will and which ones won’t is always the question.

You can blame that one on me. Buffalo's spending spree (Bosa and Josh Palmer) got me snooping around.
I went through this same exercise a few years back... when we had a black hole at center.
That's when I noticed that the Packers had a cap problem... same as the Bills now.
That's when I noticed/predicted that Corey Linsley might be cut in a cap-saving move. It was just a fanciful thread filler at the time...

Facts:
1. Bozeman and James are "IF" propositions @center.
2. The Bills have a cap-space problem. The problem goes away if they cut James Cook or trade Connor McGovern.
3. Connor McGovern's contract has been restructured in such a way (voided years) that it makes sense to trade him now.
4. The Bills drafted a young/promising center last draft (Sedrick Van-Pran).
5. The Chargers have had official visits (Ezeiruaku and Mason Taylor) that are now being projected as late 1st/early 2nd round prospects.

[Bolt4Knob]

They could be ONE generational RB away from competing for a Superbowl. The Eagles were and they had the same record as the Chargers did the season before last..., and for Harbaugh to go where he wants to go in this O they need a workhorse RB!

The same could be said are the Chargers an extra first round pick and mid to late round pick away from competing for a superbowl. They could be, but maybe not.

Look at how the Rams gutted their picks and still competed for a Superbowl, and came very close every season.

The Eagles Oline was better
WRS were better
Dline was better

The two teams were not at the same spot
Now, I understand risk and reward. I just don't see it for RB

In a year, maybe they will be better position. I still want this year to be about building a solid foundation. Hence, why, all things equal, in the trade down in Round 1 to get another Day 2 or a 4t
and try to use your 6ths to move up in Round 5

Right now 5 picks in the first 5 rounds - I want Hortiz to have EIGHT picks by the end of Round 5

[Boltnut]

@ #55, @ #86 draft picks.

Hoarding Monopoly money.

#55 and #86 probably don't move you all the way from St. Charles Place to Boardwalk.
You probably need to throw in Marvin Gardens too.

A TE @#55 and a RB @#86 (along with edge rusher @#22) may allow you to build hotels all along the western coastline.
If Hortiz mortgages the draft... I'm pulling his Get Out of Jail Free card.

[Boltjolt]

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Defensive tackle is the 49ers' biggest need and Mason Graham is the top-ranked player at the position in this year's draft.

Whatever the 49ers do, they should not draft him with the 11th pick.

Early in the offseason, Graham was considered a lock to get drafted in the top five. But the Combine revealed that he's relatively small for a defensive tackle (6'3", 296 lbs.) and his arms are extremely short (32 inches). And in three seasons at Michigan, he recorded just 9 sacks.

Yikes.

Compare Graham to Solomon Thomas, whom the 49ers took with the third pick in the 2017 NFL Draft. Thomas is 6'3", 295 lbs. and his arms are 33 inches long. And he had 11.5 sacks in two seasons at Stanford. And he was extremely athletic at the Combine. And yet, he lacks the size and length to be an effective starter at defensive tackle in the NFL. So he's a backup.

I'm not saying Graham definitely will be a bust and a long-term backup like Thomas. I'm just saying the 49ers probably shouldn't draft a Solomon Thomas doppelganger in Round 1. Let some other team take a chance on a sub-300-pound defensive tackle with 32-inch arms and minimal sack production.

Graham didn't even do any of the athletic testing at the Combine. And at his Pro Day he did position drills only. Sounds like a player who could drop into the late first round.

If the 49ers take a defensive tackle in Round 1, they'd be better off taking Kenneth Grant or Derrick Harmon.

I dont care what the Niners do. Thomas, Lance ....they arent above bad picks.
Aaron Donald 6'1", 285 lbs arms 32 5/8".

Of course Donald had one of the best get offs at the snap ever and was just slippery.