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[Boltjolt]

Hortiz is no dumbass.
He will get the salary dispersement in order.
Cap magic will leave us with only those few holes you mention and little else.
A healthy depth chart will be the final thing.
We can take down KC.
With the rest of the league in awe.

Well, I'm up for some cap magic. Let's get it going!

[northerner]

The 2024 Chargers will be far better coached trained and talented than the 2022 team that Staley took to the playoffs.
Apparently we can't expect to win as many games since we were over the cap and the roster is full of "holes".
I see the need for a quality C and Roman's #1 RB. Everything else is upgrades.
I'm shocked that some PBs seem to think that Harbaugh can't beat Staley's best year right out of the gate.

and we can make fixes to the roster without having 20 draft picks. i am not a big fan of multiple trade downs and then hoping we hit on lower picks. quality over quantity.

[FoutsFan]

Joey Bosa has to be on the field to be a factor. He hasn't been for the last two years. Why are you not grasping that concept

Second - what if you spend the money allocated for Mack and Bosa and use it on other players and make your team better? Do you understand that can happen - that Hortiz can use the funds better to build a better team

here is the thing - I am not afraid of whats behind Door #2. I have seen enough of this group to know I want to move on and rebuild this team.

Box #1 or door #2 is most likely this.

https://youtu.be/GB7mHxdHlRY?si=z7jLF4tmMlnzZn6T

[FoutsFan]

I was a Bosa supporter for years, people wanted him gone because he made too much and his numbers didn't reflect the pay etc...I kept telling folks to give him time to get his shit together that the physical talent is there, but the mental mistakes continued even as he became an older veteran on the team, dumb stupid fucking penalties...the Jacksonville game was the straw that broke the camel's back for me...Bosa did enough stupid shit in that game that you could make the argument that had he been injured and not suited up, the chargers probably win that fucking game!

See the Jacksonville game that you describe I will have to call BS. That game is where many here bias shines. If Slater were getting beat every play because the Jags OLB lined up a yard off sides into our backfield and did the head slap on Slater and it was never called people here would have gone ballistic. Yet when the equivalent happened to Bosa the haters came out with knives in the back for him and made excuses for the horrific officiating because they were looking for an excuse to slam Bosa. I have to say that was really pathetic to see from Bolt fans.

[OG619FrightninLightnin]

and we can make fixes to the roster without having 20 draft picks. i am not a big fan of multiple trade downs and then hoping we hit on lower picks. quality over quantity.

I think a trade back in the 2nd or 3rd is OK. but not out of 5 unless it's only a couple of spots.

[Bolt4Knob]

I think you’re mistaken in assuming keeping Mack automatically entails dumpster diving.

And again, all your arguments only point to one thing: 2024 is to be a write off. Not sure how you can say winning in 2024 if your goal when your goal is also fielding a lesser team now so we can (hopefully) field better teams down the road. They don’t coexist, by your own definitions.

But really, Harbaugh and Horitz will craft the best team they’re able this year, and of course with an eye toward future years, as all good front offices do. Not sure why anyone would expect less after all the money we spent on them. And not sure why all this is so black and white, the reality will likely be some shade of gray (hope you like gray…).

No they really don't but that is on you - not me -- i have been pretty clear about the plan - you are just choosing to view it in the schism or narrative that you are trying to associate with me

You have asked me what my plan is - lay our your plan for how the team is going to get better and compete.

[Bolt4Knob]

MW is a cut for me... we almost have to do that to get under the cap. KA is a keep for me... largely because we'll have to cut MW and need at least 1 good WR. Both Mack and Joey I'm good with whatever Hortiz decides. The biggest question for me is how much we can get in trade for those guys... the other question is do they fit the system...? Mack obviously saves us more cap space than Joey... so that has to be a consideration. If you cut both... then you have to get an edge player in the draft. How much draft capital do you have to spend...? Is it the same capital you got in return for the players you traded/cut...?

I'm open minded to all scenarios.

Not really if you look deeper into the numbers. Bosa technically has 22m of "amortized/dead cap" where Mack only has 15.6m of amortized/dead cap. Mack is scheduled to make 23m this year and Bosa is scheduled to make $22. Its just that Bosa has $7.6m allocated for 2025 that if you release before June 1 that accelerates to this year. So from a salary perspective - there isn't a great gap

So in all reality - if the Chargers time a transaction for Bosa correctly - they can create similar cap savings this year between Bosa and Mack

And if that is truly the case of keeping one player, you have to keep Mack. Bosa is not a reliable player from a health perspective and quite frankly, I think overrated on the field as well. My guess, Mack has better value than Bosa because if you just watch the tape - you have one guy who at least produced at a high level in 2023 where the other guy is eating raisin bran, playing pocket pool and about to eat pistachios with Joey chestnut

[blueman]

No they really don't but that is on you - not me -- i have been pretty clear about the plan - you are just choosing to view it in the schism or narrative that you are trying to associate with me

You have asked me what my plan is - lay our your plan for how the team is going to get better and compete.

Like I keep saying (others too), I’ll let JH2 figure that out. Doubt anyone’s here will be right lol. Fun to discuss though, no?

[Bolt4Knob]

Like I keep saying (others too), I’ll let JH2 figure that out. Doubt anyone’s here will be right lol. Fun to discuss though, no?

we shall see what we shall see

very true

[Boltnut]

Not really if you look deeper into the numbers. Bosa technically has 22m of "amortized/dead cap" where Mack only has 15.6m of amortized/dead cap. Mack is scheduled to make 23m this year and Bosa is scheduled to make $22. Its just that Bosa has $7.6m allocated for 2025 that if you release before June 1 that accelerates to this year. So from a salary perspective - there isn't a great gap

So in all reality - if the Chargers time a transaction for Bosa correctly - they can create similar cap savings this year between Bosa and Mack

And if that is truly the case of keeping one player, you have to keep Mack. Bosa is not a reliable player from a health perspective and quite frankly, I think overrated on the field as well. My guess, Mack has better value than Bosa because if you just watch the tape - you have one guy who at least produced at a high level in 2023 where the other guy is eating raisin bran, playing pocket pool and about to eat pistachios with Joey chestnut

I thought you didn't want to push money onto next year.
If you outright cut or trade each player... right now... without any contract manipulation... without kicking the can... Khalil Mack's trade saves more. $23.25m v $14.4m.

To be clear, that's $9m extra to use in free agency... whether that's all this year or part this year and part next year. That probably buys you a quality center... maybe Connor Williams. Now I know Connor Williams is coming off an injury. But injuries happen. It could be Khalil Mack who is hurt next year... instead of Joey and/or Connor.

If we push Mack's contract out, how long...? And what sort of a team dicount does Mack have to take to make this thing work financially...?

[Bolt4Knob]

I thought you didn't want to push money onto next year.
If you outright cut or trade each player... right now... without any contract manipulation... without kicking the can... Khalil Mack's trade saves more. $23.25m v $14.4m.

To be clear, that's $9m extra to use in free agency... whether that's all this year or part this year and part next year. That probably buys you a quality center... maybe Connor Williams. Now I know Connor Williams is coming off an injury. But injuries happen. It could be Khalil Mack who is hurt next year... instead of Joey and/or Connor.

If we push Mack's contract out, how long...? And what sort of a team dicount does Mack have to take to make this thing work financially...?

Who is pushing cap to next year. Look at OTC
Bosa has 14.6m of dead cap this year
Bosa has 7.6m of dead cap next year
If you want to refer too it as "amortized signing bonus paid but not accrued" - that is fine. It is the same damn thing. I am not kicking the can at all.

I understand about the cap that if the chargers release Bosa with a pre June 1 (or trade) his cap his is larger at the $22.2m but if the Chargers designate Bosa as a June 1 cap, there is your 7.6m that can be used this year.

2024 📝	29	$15,000,000	$14,611,666	$7,000,000		$0		$36,611,666	13.9%		$22,223,334	$14,388,332
2025 📝	30	$17,000,000	$7,611,668	$8,360,000		$0		$32,971,668	12.7%		$7,611,668	$25,360,000

So now Its about Mack the player versus Bosa the player - who do like better? The salaries are basically the same 23m for Mack or $22m for Bosa
Of the two, if only keeping one - I am keeping Mack 1000 out of 1000 times.

As for the contract for Mack - its the same as Allen. I give them there $23m - just with voided years. Reduce their cap hits by $15m each -- if they ball out - next spring, establish a new contract. If they don't ball out - well that either 1) establishes a lower contract for 2025 2) they become a free agent. For me, the values for Mack and Allen in 2025 need to be based off their 2024 season, not the 2023.

[Fouts2herbert]

I said that? Where?

If we can afford both reasonably, why not? I guess we have different definitions of what’s reasonable, okay. Glad smarter minds than any of us will be making these tough decisions.

I'm so glad we can actually say this now and have it be real and mean something...