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Originally posted by Xenos View Post
1. There is more risk than reward when shopping at the top of the market. Teams must be really, really smart when investing that much money in a player. It can work, like with Thuney or Matthew Judon or Javon Hargrave. But there are far more examples of these deals blowing up than providing equitable value.
2. Relying too heavily on free agency for the backbone of your roster can lead to diminishing returns. Sure, it can spur a surge in the short term. The Jaguars won a playoff game in 2022. But as those expensive contracts play out, the players must continue performing at top-of-their-position levels to provide the needed value. The margin for error is very slim.
3. Building through the draft is the most sustainable way to win. Ascending players on cheap contracts. The Packers spent by far the least cash on free agents in the four-year window. They made the playoffs three times.
4. Free agency is best used as a supplement. The market inefficiency might very well be the middle-to-lower tiers of the free agent pool. The Texans have attacked the inefficiency. Other teams, if cap space allows, might be better off following this model. Depth can be achieved in many ways. And viewing free agency as an avenue toward depth as opposed to that shiny star could be a valuable approach.
Point 3 - preaching to the choir. You want to be good at managing your cap - draft well and maybe hit on a couple UDFAs every year. Those are players on cheap contracts for 4 years if drafted and three years if a UDFA. That is why the idea of trading back, getting a couple more picks in Rounds 2-5 is so helpful in trying to build your roster. Just more options.
Point 4: augment, not build, with free agency. Telesco and Staley knew they were on the hot seat going into the 2022 season and they tried to build a team via free agency as Telesco never could get with the coaches to do it with draft picks.
Aside from Wilkins - I cannot think of a big money player I want Hortiz to sign and if he can evaluate IDL at a cheaper price that won't be a potential JCJ cap situation, all the better. As pointed out above you might get Thuney or you might get a JCJ. Find a bunch of guys that fit the culture, fill in some depth on prove it deals this year.
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Ok here it is--the unspeakable--hypothetical worst case scenario.
On Tuesday at 1245pm, the Chargers waive, MW, KA, Joey and Khalil.
Why on green gridiron could this happen ?
Well, what if there are zero reasonable, timely trades to be had, and the Chargers want to hit free agency hard ?
Justin Simmons with Derwin ?
Derrick Henry ?
Pick-a-Center ?
Nabors/Brock/Odunze/Dallaa Turner/Verse @ #5 or on trade down ?
McConkey/AD Mitchell/Worthy/Pearsall/Jonah Elliss/Chop/Braswell @ #37 ?
Think like Harbaugh/Hortiz/ Krawiec.
We can immefiately cherrypick depth building midrange priced players who fit the new schemes, with this crazy, outsids the box thinking.Maybe we do play modern football.
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Originally posted by wu-dai clan View PostOk here it is--the unspeakable--hypothetical worst case scenario.
On Tuesday at 1245pm, the Chargers waive, MW, KA, Joey and Khalil.
Why on green gridiron could this happen ?
Well, what if there are zero reasonable, timely trades to be had, and the Chargers want to hit free agency hard ?
Justin Simmons with Derwin ?
Derrick Henry ?
Pick-a-Center ?
Nabors/Brock/Odunze/Dallaa Turner/Verse @ #5 or on trade down ?
McConkey/AD Mitchell/Worthy/Pearsall/Jonah Elliss/Chop/Braswell @ #37 ?
Think like Harbaugh/Hortiz/ Krawiec.
We can immefiately cherrypick depth building midrange priced players who fit the new schemes, with this crazy, outsids the box thinking.
the guy you keep. Those moves may put us as much as $30M under the cap. Plenty of $$$ to make some FA moves and sign rookies.
Blowing it up by getting rid of all four would create more holes, which we don't need.
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Originally posted by wu-dai clan View PostOk here it is--the unspeakable--hypothetical worst case scenario.
On Tuesday at 1245pm, the Chargers waive, MW, KA, Joey and Khalil.
Why on green gridiron could this happen ?
Well, what if there are zero reasonable, timely trades to be had, and the Chargers want to hit free agency hard ?
Justin Simmons with Derwin ?
Derrick Henry ?
Pick-a-Center ?
Nabors/Brock/Odunze/Dallaa Turner/Verse @ #5 or on trade down ?
McConkey/AD Mitchell/Worthy/Pearsall/Jonah Elliss/Chop/Braswell @ #37 ?
Think like Harbaugh/Hortiz/ Krawiec.
We can immefiately cherrypick depth building midrange priced players who fit the new schemes, with this crazy, outsids the box thinking.
I thiink Allen will be brought back - similar extension to what Evans signed.
Mack - traded to the Lions
Bosa and MW - have no clue - but hopefully Bosa has some trade value but even if Mack is gone, do not want him on the team. They can do better
As for free agency, Popper lays out in a good article posted why its not the end all be all.
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Originally posted by blueman View Post
Two off-seasons with Maeweather. Did he improve? Yes. But he is still barely average - worse late in games.
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Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post
Hard to say. Smart move would be to release Williams and restructure Allen to get under the cap. Then try to trade one of Bosa or Mack. Restructure
the guy you keep. Those moves may put us as much as $30M under the cap. Plenty of $$$ to make some FA moves and sign rookies.
Blowing it up by getting rid of all four would create more holes, which we don't need.
I think Allen is back; Mack is 50/50 and the other two are gone.
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Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post
Conversely - keeping players that are not worth what their current contracts are at - is also not smart. Bosa is not worth $22m -- even if you push some forward, unless he takes a pay cut, he isn't worth it. Mike Williams off the injury - same thing - would need to be incentive laden
I think Allen is back; Mack is 50/50 and the other two are gone.
already been paid or almost paid.
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