2024 Chargers Official News | Acquisitions | Transactions | Injuries

[wu-dai clan]

I'm talking about a simple restructure. You don't have to have the player's/agent's permission. It's nice to get it... but not necessary.

I thought when Harbaugh was hired, people would be excited to see what Bosa could do under Harbaugh.
I thought the 17 sacks for Khalil were good news for us... in that we could get more in trade.
I guess I was wrong....
I wonder if the Bears might want him back...?
New QB with the #1 and a toy (WR) for him to play with the #9 pick...? Bears need a pass rusher (potentially #9)... they have cap space now. Mack, on a 2-year deal, for a 3rd rounder...? Bears could use that stop-gap.

The player needs to be on board ie motivated.

[Boltnut]

First I would need a full evaluation on Bosa Foot/Leg injury before he is even in the discussion to keep, then to me it comes down to who’s position/stats are easier to replace.

The groin was repaired over a year ago. It was not an issue this year. His injury was a sprained foot... a sprained foot, guys. Had they made the playoffs... Joey would have been on the field. The Chargers shut down Keenan the same way.

Now if the foot was related to the foot surgery he had in 2018 (it was not)... then I'd be worried.
The position is hard to replace (premium position). Which is why you keep one of the two players.
Injury is impossible to predict... so you look at the age and the contract structure.

I personally like Mack over Bosa. This isn't a love/hate thing. It's a business decision. It's a cap decision.

[blueman]

Yeah we already have Joey: hurt, soon to be old, and with his contract very untradable. Can’t keep both unless Ed the Wizard shazams those contracts.

Also crunching stats, Mack would have to slack off, what, about 35% to equal Joey’s inferior numbers? For a pro’s pro player who doesn’t throw his helmet? Seems a no-brainer to me.

Something else to consider: we’ve seen what Mack can do without Joey; weren’t we all begging for TT to bring in someone/draft anybody to help Joey?

Seems the bet is, Mack + Tuli = Joey + Tuli, IF Mack slides a bit from his historic best level and Joey performs better than his historic best level. With the caveat being the plan will always be to move on from either in two years. Seems a no-brainer to me if the goal is fielding the best D possible and winning some games, but I’m not MFIC.

[Bolt4Knob]

The player needs to be on board ie motivated.

BoltNut is correct - if its just an accounting transaction where Bosa still gets his $22m but the dollars are pushed - their is language in the contract that allows for the team to give Bosa his money

Its a pay cut where the player needs to agree

[Bolt4Knob]

It is savings... on the 2024 cap. Which is, of course, the first order of business... get under the cap by March 13th.
It only increases the dead cap number... if you cut him. I get it... you decided to cut him a year ago... after he threw his helmet.
But Harbaugh has no memory of that... nor should he make decisions based on that. He'll look at Joey as a ballplayer... what can I do with this ballplayer. There is ZERO percent chance of predicting any football players future injury. It could be Joey... it could be Mack. Wasn't Mack coming off an injury when we signed him...? Harbaugh already mentioned Joey by name... Horitz already mentioned he likes comp picks. It makes way more sense to pay Bosa $47 million for two years... than scuttle everyone and hope you can uncover some secret gem in the 3rd round. By the looks of it, everyone wants offensive players rounds 1-5 anyways. At some point, someone will have to invest something in the defense if you want to climb out of the cellar. Luckily, Harbaugh and Horitz are those kind of guys. Strap in, boys... there are going to be some unpopular moves coming soon.

The Chargers need much more money than just March 15 -- I would rather June 1 Bosa - if the choice is Bosa or Mack - -keep Mack. The Chargers can get to where they need to get too: release Williams, extrend Allen, release Parham, Kendricks, Linsley retires - they are cap compliant on March 15. After that, can asses Mack and Bosa individually

The comp pick you state - the Chargers would have to pay - as of today, $47m - FORTY SEVEN MILLION - to get a comp pick in three years. Plus Bosa would need to have value in the spring of 2026 to get that comp pick for the 2027 draft. Hortiz likes comp picks but that doesn't seem like he is worth waiting for

If you are keeping one player, the player to keep is Mack because end of the day - they can June 1 Bosa push a bit of cap to next year as its already there. They are stuck with it. And figure a way to keep Mack because Mack right now is better than Bosa, more reliable from a health standpoint and better on the field

[Boltnut]

Khalil Mack accounted for $8.75m against 2022's cap. Then $16.6m against 2023's cap. Now it's $38.5m against 2024's cap.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/khalil-mack-14414/

Just imagine the conversation, back in 2022, between Mack/agent/McGuire/Spanos...
"We'll gladly pay you Tuesday... for a hamburger today"...

The MO for McGuire normally, is to be responsible about his contracts. Telesco/Staley/Spanos convinced him to go All-In for 2022 and 2023. I suspect Ed will want to get back to responsible practices soon.

[Bolt4Knob]

Khalil Mack accounted for $8.75m against 2022's cap. Then $16.6m against 2023's cap. Now it's $38.5m against 2024's cap.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/khalil-mack-14414/

Just imagine the conversation, back in 2022, between Mack/agent/McGuire/Spanos...
"We'll gladly pay you Tuesday... for a hamburger today"...

The MO for McGuire normally, is to be responsible about his contracts. Telesco/Staley/Spanos convinced him to go All-In for 2022 and 2023. I suspect Ed will want to get back to responsible practices soon.

More teams are responsible with their cap than say the Saints have been since 2012 or the Rams for those couple of years. But they got a ring out of it. So it worked

I do agree that working with Harbaugh and Hortiz, Mcguire will level set the cap. Hence of the four players - two will be gone and two (probably) will stay,. And the two that will stay are 13 & 52.

[Boltnut]

The Chargers need much more money than just March 15 -- I would rather June 1 Bosa - if the choice is Bosa or Mack - -keep Mack. The Chargers can get to where they need to get too: release Williams, extrend Allen, release Parham, Kendricks, Linsley retires - they are cap compliant on March 15. After that, can asses Mack and Bosa individually

The comp pick you state - the Chargers would have to pay - as of today, $47m - FORTY SEVEN MILLION - to get a comp pick in three years. Plus Bosa would need to have value in the spring of 2026 to get that comp pick for the 2027 draft. Hortiz likes comp picks but that doesn't seem like he is worth waiting for

If you are keeping one player, the player to keep is Mack because end of the day - they can June 1 Bosa push a bit of cap to next year as its already there. They are stuck with it. And figure a way to keep Mack because Mack right now is better than Bosa, more reliable from a health standpoint and better on the field

Absolutely correct. March 13th is just the first benchmark.
Trading Mack can't even occur until after March 13th anyways (not directed @you as I already know that you know this).
Getting to March 13th is fairly easy... cut Linsley, cut Kendricks, cut MW, restructure Joey and Derwin. You're $7m under the cap.
If you need to get to 51 on the roster, tender the ERFA's. Still under the cap by March 13th.

After March 13th... extending KA and trading Mack create another $30m of space. That's what you need to sign a couple FA's (RB and TE would be my choice)... and sign your draftees, in-season space, etc.

I have no idea how Parham became part of the equation... his cap hit is tiny.

[powderblueboy]

Players with the most sacks after their 32nd birthday

Player	Seasons	Sacks	Comment
Bruce Smith	1995-2003	84	Had five double-digit sack seasons at age 32 or later
Coy Bacon	1974-81	83	Led the NFL with 21 1/2 sacks for Cincinnati in 1976 (age 34)
Kevin Greene	1994-99	75	Led NFL in sacks at age 32 (14, Steelers) and 34 (14 1/2, Panthers)
Chris Doleman	1993-99	74 1/2	Four years of at least 11 sacks after turning 32 (two Pro Bowls)
Reggie White	1993-2000	74	Four double-digit sack seasons after turning 32, including 16 at age 37
Julius Peppers	2012-18	59 1/2	Posted 11 sacks for Panthers at age 37 (retired the next year)
Claude Humphrey	1976-81	55 1/2	At age 32, had 14 1/2 sacks; at age 36, had 15 1/2 sacks
Rickey Jackson	1990-95	55 1/2	Made Pro Bowl in age-34 and 35 seasons (25 total sacks)
Carl Eller	1974-79	53	Four years of at least 10 sacks for Vikings in age 32-35 seasons
Ed Jones	1983-89	51 1/2	Jones played until age-38, had 13 sacks in ’85 (age-34 season)

[dmac_bolt]

Its not savings - its just buying on credit - the bill will come due at some point. And basically will just increase his dead cap number. Which is already at $22m and yuo want to make $30m

As for the comp pick - that means paying Bosa $47m for two years - does that really make sense to possibly get a comp pick in the year 2026. It really doesn't.

Mack and Bosa are individual decisions. You don't keep one just because you get rid of the other

they can strategically devise a glide path to roll less and less forward each year until they are not pushing excessive dead cap forward anymore - its possible to get out of debt in a planned managed way without immediately living in a van down by the river.

Say we rolled ~50M dead cap forward to this year. Roll $30M next year. Roll $10 to 2026 - voila! Cap reset while retaining talent. I don’t know how to do it, but Ed does. Expert pundits that talk about ripping bandaids don’t have a clue how to manage a 5 year strategy.

As for Mack and Bosa - I’ll trust in Jim. edge rushers are important if you want to win in the NFL, it’s why they are paid. Jim and Hortiz want to win now. Get rid of them and the draft instantly needs to be an edge replacement draft or else he’s just conceding 2024. I don’t think they will concede 2024

When we have no legit DTs, LBs, at risk at CB, I could see them deciding the win-now plan is to push and roll cap on their edge stars and worry about it another year and use 2024 to shore up other areas so they actually can devote top draft pick(s) to edge without conceding a season. We’ll see in a couple months more clearly what their plan is.

[blueman]

they can strategically devise a glide path to roll less and less forward each year until they are not pushing excessive dead cap forward anymore - its possible to get out of debt in a planned managed way without immediately living in a van down by the river.

Say we rolled ~50M dead cap forward to this year. Roll $30M next year. Roll $10 to 2026 - voila! Cap reset while retaining talent. I don’t know how to do it, but Ed does. Expert pundits that talk about ripping bandaids don’t have a clue how to manage a 5 year strategy.

As for Mack and Bosa - I’ll trust in Jim. edge rushers are important if you want to win in the NFL, it’s why they are paid. Jim and Hortiz want to win now. Get rid of them and the draft instantly needs to be an edge replacement draft or else he’s just conceding 2024. I don’t think they will concede 2024

When we have no legit DTs, LBs, at risk at CB, I could see them deciding the win-now plan is to push and roll cap on their edge stars and worry about it another year and use 2024 to shore up other areas so they actually can devote top draft pick(s) to edge without conceding a season. We’ll see in a couple months more clearly what their plan is.

Best post on this topic, kudos.

[Bolt4Knob]

they can strategically devise a glide path to roll less and less forward each year until they are not pushing excessive dead cap forward anymore - its possible to get out of debt in a planned managed way without immediately living in a van down by the river.

Say we rolled ~50M dead cap forward to this year. Roll $30M next year. Roll $10 to 2026 - voila! Cap reset while retaining talent. I don’t know how to do it, but Ed does. Expert pundits that talk about ripping bandaids don’t have a clue how to manage a 5 year strategy.

As for Mack and Bosa - I’ll trust in Jim. edge rushers are important if you want to win in the NFL, it’s why they are paid. Jim and Hortiz want to win now. Get rid of them and the draft instantly needs to be an edge replacement draft or else he’s just conceding 2024. I don’t think they will concede 2024

When we have no legit DTs, LBs, at risk at CB, I could see them deciding the win-now plan is to push and roll cap on their edge stars and worry about it another year and use 2024 to shore up other areas so they actually can devote top draft pick(s) to edge without conceding a season. We’ll see in a couple months more clearly what their plan is.

This makes sense but for the rolling less each year forward might mean say Keenan and Mack take less money each year in base salary as they move forward. Because at some point will want to spend on other players as well besides draft picks. Plus the more you push this year to get under the cap, that means the more that is pushed forward so unless you want $38m cap hits again, there needs to be a balance moving forward

As for a five year strategy - if each of these teams and their cap person do not have excel spreadsheets with rolling five year projects - they are just clueless dipshits and should not be managing cap. I can create a five year rolling spreadsheet that would account for 53 player rosters, draft classes, etc to estimate costs in the future

As for conceding in 2024 - I don't see how off the last two years, moving on from Bosa and Williams is conceding anything.