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[Fouts2herbert]

Yeah the Pats don't make since either because of this. They need a QB and next years draft class of QBs is supposed to be really bad from what I have read. I think it really is between the Cards and Chargers.

This^

so the question then becomes, do the Cardinals want picks #11, #23, and #27 or would they rather pick the first non QB player in the entire draft?

[Chargers8491]

Nothing like getting bags of doritos for filet Mignon.

In a trade down, drafting a combination of Bowers plus ILBer, DT, CB, WR, or OT in the 2nd and 3rd round doesn't sound like a bag of Doritos to me.

[gzubeck]

Yet DJ has us taking OT Joe Alt in his mock draft.
I'm not arguing that MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze aren't good.
In fact, I think MHJ is the best player in the draft. Arizona would be crazy not to take him.
The problem is that many people here could never fathom an OT could be as valuable as a WR.
In their eyes, Joe Alt is JAG and Malik Nabers is "generational".
I'm not making silly generalizations... I'm responding to them.
People can't rave about how great MHJ is... and then claim that the Cards will pass on him.

Ravens drafted Ronnie Stanley with the #6 pick in the draft.
Someone suggested that we're taking a WR @#5 because the Ravens have drafted several WR's (in the late 1st round).
If you're looking for over-generalizations... there it is.

I agree, this WR class is crazy good. Maybe it's the spread offenses that are churning out so many good WR's. But there seem to be more and more NFL ready WR's every draft. This year may be one of the best (deepest) I've ever seen. Which is why I'm fairly certain you could still get a really good one into the 4th or 5th round. In any event, it seems unlikely that a team that is changing its philosophy (transitioning from a Kellen Moore offense to a Greg Roman offense) will pick a WR over an OT @#5... especially when the WR class is so good. Compare the 3rd round WR prospects to the 3rd round OT prospects.

In the end, this discussion (Alt v Nabers) probably will be null and void. The smart choice would be to trade back with Minnesota for #11 and #23. At that point, neither Alt, nor Nabers, will be there. At that point the discussion will turn into Fuaga v Bowers. I'm pretty sure I know who you are choosing... sorry to over-generalize.

WR class is good so that benefits teams picking later in the first round. It doesn't mean we shouldn't as well unless we're trading back for more high picks. We will look like absolute dumb shits if we don't pick up cherries in cherry season especially when our cherry bag was dropped in the toilet by accident.

[Chargers8491]

The rounds I really like to talk about are Rounds 2-4.
A trade-back to #11 also nets us the #23 pick (an interesting conversation).
If that trade went down, that would be 6 picks in the Top-110.
Now THAT would be exciting!

Jeremiah (apparently a TPB favorite) has Edgerrin Cooper @#24.
We just had EC in for a workout I hear. What do you think about EC Woody?
I love the LB class this year. I remember you were a big fan of Patrick Queen (Ravens drafted #28)
What are your thoughts on Queen v Coop...?

You see the highlight video I posted on Coop? I would take him in a heartbeat in the 2nd. Him and Jenkins both if we have 2 2nd rnd picks and if Colson is there in the 3rd I would probably take him if Coop is gone.

[wu-dai clan]

The rounds I really like to talk about are Rounds 2-4.
A trade-back to #11 also nets us the #23 pick (an interesting conversation).
If that trade went down, that would be 6 picks in the Top-110.
Now THAT would be exciting!

Jeremiah (apparently a TPB favorite) has Edgerrin Cooper @#24.
We just had EC in for a workout I hear. What do you think about EC Woody?
I love the LB class this year. I remember you were a big fan of Patrick Queen (Ravens drafted #28)
What are your thoughts on Queen v Coop...?

My first question is "who will be our Green Dot" ?

I have Edge over Queen...a better prospect.

[Boltnut]

Nothing like getting bags of doritos for filet Mignon.

So far... my 2nd favorite "in depth" argument... next to "generational"...
These REALLY move the needle for me... LOL!

[jamrock]

Build the trenches with lower draft picks. Not picking a couple receivers in this draft will affect the team for years. Linemen are good but they can be got for a lot cheaper and drafted in lower rounds unless you need a left tackle.

This is the crux of the debate when it comes to our top pick. Do you draft a top skill player or a top trencher. Apparently no DL guys are getting top 10 love this year so it comes down to OL v WR/TE. We'll see how they view it at Chargers park shortly. Between now and then there may be a FA pick up or two that changes things.

[Chargers8491]

This^

so the question then becomes, do the Cardinals want picks #11, #23, and #27 or would they rather pick the first non QB player in the entire draft?

I honestly dont know the Cards roster that well but with 2 1st rnd picks already I would think they would want to draft at #4 and take the best WR they have on there draft board and maybe trade the #27, but who knows. Having 3 1st round picks would be nice though you could do a lot of damage.

[Boltnut]

Let's talk about Bags of Doritos...
Cool Ranch is up first: LB Edgerrin Cooper (#24 on DJ's list)

From Daniel Jeremiah...

Cooper is a long, rangy linebacker with excellent speed and coverage ability. Against the pass, he is very smooth in his drops, playing with vision and awareness. He is very comfortable in man coverage and has plenty of speed to carry tight ends up the seam. He is an explosive blitzer and has shown the ability to separate the quarterback from the ball. Against the run, he is quick to fill in the hole and displays stopping power as a tackler. He will have some fly-by missed tackles when in lateral pursuit. Overall, Cooper is an instinctive and explosive prospect who generates a bunch of splash plays. He's ready to start right away, and I believe his best football is still ahead of him.

Kind of seems like a perfect Minter fit. Chargers have a scheduled Top-30 meeting with him.

[Leslie Grossman]

I like Ruffles with ridges
Where was beloved Keenan…and Gates drafted again???
Mike Williams was a helluva a pick at 7 overall too.

[jamrock]

I have my answer to what almost everyone is saying It's just not time to post it yet.

"WR Production" will come following establishing the run and using play action.

The ball will be spread around, to Palmer, QJ, Derius, Fehoko, midround rookies, Dissly, Hurst and midround 3rd down RB.

How many times did Herbert choose to throw the football to Keenan when others were wide open ? Check the tape ! You had to see this LIVE at SoFi. It sure shows up time and again on coaches tape. Harbaugh sees it. Shane Day sees it.

I will take it a step further. Keenan's "best season ever" was a product of other factors besides his truly great route running and internal fire. Hortiz made Slayer an offer he knew Slayer would refuse. KA was wise to leave, as it will change at LAC radically. Chicago Keenan will be at ~900 yards/season.

The offense will be quite different this coming year.

Someone will trade up with us for QB #3 or #4, or even one of the elite receivers.

Meanwhile, we will build the trenches with numerous stockpiled mid-high picks, then feast on leftover skill players, fantasy minded be damned.

Hopefully it will all be quite different this year. They're going to need to bring in 3-4 RBs to find 1 or 2 to pair with Gus. They're also going to have to beef up the defense quite a bit to make this work. You can't run a ball control offense like you're describing if you're behind. We will have to see how it shakes out. But I remember the consensus before being we need explosive players on offense and that's now out the window I guess. As for Herbert, yes he locked in on KA and that will have to be fixed. Thats a Herbert problem

[DerwinBosa]

Yet DJ has us taking OT Joe Alt in his mock draft.
I'm not arguing that MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze aren't good.
In fact, I think MHJ is the best player in the draft. Arizona would be crazy not to take him.
The problem is that many people here could never fathom an OT could be as valuable as a WR.
In their eyes, Joe Alt is JAG and Malik Nabers is "generational".
I'm not making silly generalizations... I'm responding to them.
People can't rave about how great MHJ is... and then claim that the Cards will pass on him.

Ravens drafted Ronnie Stanley with the #6 pick in the draft.
Someone suggested that we're taking a WR @#5 because the Ravens have drafted several WR's (in the late 1st round).
If you're looking for over-generalizations... there it is.

I agree, this WR class is crazy good. Maybe it's the spread offenses that are churning out so many good WR's. But there seem to be more and more NFL ready WR's every draft. This year may be one of the best (deepest) I've ever seen. Which is why I'm fairly certain you could still get a really good one into the 4th or 5th round. In any event, it seems unlikely that a team that is changing its philosophy (transitioning from a Kellen Moore offense to a Greg Roman offense) will pick a WR over an OT @#5... especially when the WR class is so good. Compare the 3rd round WR prospects to the 3rd round OT prospects.

In the end, this discussion (Alt v Nabers) probably will be null and void. The smart choice would be to trade back with Minnesota for #11 and #23. At that point, neither Alt, nor Nabers, will be there. At that point the discussion will turn into Fuaga v Bowers. I'm pretty sure I know who you are choosing... sorry to over-generalize.

Recent history, along with the way this draft appears to be set up, makes it clear that it is much more likely to find a stud wide receiver in the second, third, fourth, or fifth round than it is to find a Penei Sewell or Lane Johnson after the first.

The "generational" label being placed on Nabers and Odunze is way over the top. I actually like Odunze a lot. Nabers not so much. But calling either of them generational is just an attempt to make it more convincing that we have to draft a wide receiver fifth overall.