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  • Boltnut
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    Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post

    Those stats turned out to be less significant because neither at any time threatened to score the elusive TD. That was also a career game from Dissly. More so, these two players as our primary weapons did nothing to back off a suspect run defense from loading up and snuffing out our run game.

    With or without injuries our top 2 WRs are Ladd and QJ. I like them both as developmental players and especially think Ladds future is bright but they are not there this year yet. I think we can see what this passing game is.

    I am not one holding out hope that DJ Chark is the saviour of this passing game and I dont think the Chargers should be either. Sure throw him in the mix, he could contribute, if he can ever get in the field. But he has has one good season in the NFL when he was a difference maker and it was 5 years ago.

    What is so wrong with building talent at every position? Everyone seemed to love it when Hortiz brought in Molden to add the the secondary. A 5th for Johnson would still leave us with 10 draft picks next April and I think he could be a great fit for Herbert. A veteran, good route runner who can constantly get open and give defenses something to account for. If Chark gets on the field as a complientary deep threat even better
    No idea where you've come up with 10 draft picks for the Chargers next draft. We'll get no compensation for KA (trade) or MW (cut).
    As for trading a 5th rounder for Johnson...
    1) You're renting an injured player for a team that likes to run the ball... and has no experience in a Greg Roman offense.
    2) You're giving up a pick that potentially adds depth for a team that lacks depth...
    3) You've traded a potential 4-year contract away for 1/2 year of potential production.
    4) The timing is crap. Chark (like him or not) is coming off the IR list. We have no idea what he'll do in this offense... unless he gets a chance.

    If you're the opposing DC, feel free to stack the run. But expect Herbert to hang another 350+ on your defense.
    If you want to ignore the Reagor fumble as a receiving TD, fine. But 99.9% of the time, that situation results in a TD.
    If you want to recognize Dissly as a blocking-only TE... also fine. But don't be surprised if he hangs 8/80 on you... again.

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    • Boltnut
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      Originally posted by Velo View Post

      Alt, IOL and RT don't score TDs.
      They sure do... ask LaDanian Tomlinson.
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      • Boltnut
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        Originally posted by Velo View Post
        That's not my point. My point is that they took away all of Herbert's veteran receiving targets with whom he had familiarity and replaced them with rookies or young players like QJ, who is still struggling to adjust to the NFL. None of the RB or TE replacements contribute significantly to the passing game. The effect of this complete house-cleaning has negated the team's best player at the most important position in football.
        And they were all going to be gone anyways.
        MW was gone just to get under the cap.
        KA was gone when he wouldn't re-structure. Hortiz built depth with the savings.
        Football is a team sport. There are 20 other starters on an NFL team.
        That's the point.
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        • CanadianBoltFan
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          Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

          No idea where you've come up with 10 draft picks for the Chargers next draft. We'll get no compensation for KA (trade) or MW (cut).
          As for trading a 5th rounder for Johnson...
          1) You're renting an injured player for a team that likes to run the ball... and has no experience in a Greg Roman offense.
          2) You're giving up a pick that potentially adds depth for a team that lacks depth...
          3) You've traded a potential 4-year contract away for 1/2 year of potential production.
          4) The timing is crap. Chark (like him or not) is coming off the IR list. We have no idea what he'll do in this offense... unless he gets a chance.

          If you're the opposing DC, feel free to stack the run. But expect Herbert to hang another 350+ on your defense.
          If you want to ignore the Reagor fumble as a receiving TD, fine. But 99.9% of the time, that situation results in a TD.
          If you want to recognize Dissly as a blocking-only TE... also fine. But don't be surprised if he hangs 8/80 on you... again.
          We have 8 draft picks of our own


          TEAMS PROJECTED TO RECEIVE 3 PICKS


          Los Angeles Chargers
          Projected compensatory picks: One in Round 5; two in Round 6.

          Key free-agent losses: Kenneth Murray (Titans), Gerald Everett (Bears), Austin Ekeler (Commanders), Austin Johnson (Bills), Michael Davis (Commanders).

          Key free-agent additions: Gus Edwards, Kristian Fulton.




          Based upon the "average per year" totals for the qualifying losses against the qualifying signees, we likely will see the Chargers grab a fifth-round pick and two sixth-rounders as compensation for their top three free-agent losses. The signings of Fulton and Edwards cancel out the losses of Davis and Johnson.

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          • powderblueboy
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            Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

            No idea where you've come up with 10 draft picks for the Chargers next draft. We'll get no compensation for KA (trade) or MW (cut).
            As for trading a 5th rounder for Johnson...
            1) You're renting an injured player for a team that likes to run the ball... and has no experience in a Greg Roman offense.
            2) You're giving up a pick that potentially adds depth for a team that lacks depth...
            3) You've traded a potential 4-year contract away for 1/2 year of potential production.
            4) The timing is crap. Chark (like him or not) is coming off the IR list. We have no idea what he'll do in this offense... unless he gets a chance.

            If you're the opposing DC, feel free to stack the run. But expect Herbert to hang another 350+ on your defense.
            If you want to ignore the Reagor fumble as a receiving TD, fine. But 99.9% of the time, that situation results in a TD.
            If you want to recognize Dissly as a blocking-only TE... also fine. But don't be surprised if he hangs 8/80 on you... again.
            All teams like to run the football Boltnut; you are basically saying that we primarily run the football.
            Arizona just showed you that any NFL defense, even bad ones, can take that away .... and that was with our starting offensive line & lead back out there.

            I hope you are not saying that Dissley is a dependable receiver; nor that Chark's return is dependable or take away the fumble by Reagor and he's td maker.
            Herbert's 350 added up to 17 points - you lose more often than no with that ouput ... when receivers needed to make plays and get open, they simply couldn't against a 3rd rate NFL secondary. The receiving/tight end corp this year is a crippling limitation on this team

            But I agree with you on Johnson. I'm for bringing in a pass catcher, but not renting one out for half a season, giving up a 5th.
            We all know what Telesco would do right now.

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            • rensoul
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              Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

              No idea where you've come up with 10 draft picks for the Chargers next draft. We'll get no compensation for KA (trade) or MW (cut).
              As for trading a 5th rounder for Johnson...
              1) You're renting an injured player for a team that likes to run the ball... and has no experience in a Greg Roman offense.
              2) You're giving up a pick that potentially adds depth for a team that lacks depth...
              3) You've traded a potential 4-year contract away for 1/2 year of potential production.
              4) The timing is crap. Chark (like him or not) is coming off the IR list. We have no idea what he'll do in this offense... unless he gets a chance.

              If you're the opposing DC, feel free to stack the run. But expect Herbert to hang another 350+ on your defense.
              If you want to ignore the Reagor fumble as a receiving TD, fine. But 99.9% of the time, that situation results in a TD.
              If you want to recognize Dissly as a blocking-only TE... also fine. But don't be surprised if he hangs 8/80 on you... again.
              He's right about the draft picks, Chargers are projected to get 3 comp picks for Everett, Ekeler and Murray

              https://chargerswire.usatoday.com/2024/05/06/chargers-nfl-draft-compensatory-picks-2025-free-agents/#:~:text=According%20to%20Over%20The%20Cap,and%20G erald%20Everett%20(Bears).

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              • CanadianBoltFan
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                Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                No idea where you've come up with 10 draft picks for the Chargers next draft. We'll get no compensation for KA (trade) or MW (cut).
                As for trading a 5th rounder for Johnson...
                1) You're renting an injured player for a team that likes to run the ball... and has no experience in a Greg Roman offense.
                2) You're giving up a pick that potentially adds depth for a team that lacks depth...
                3) You've traded a potential 4-year contract away for 1/2 year of potential production.
                4) The timing is crap. Chark (like him or not) is coming off the IR list. We have no idea what he'll do in this offense... unless he gets a chance.

                If you're the opposing DC, feel free to stack the run. But expect Herbert to hang another 350+ on your defense.
                If you want to ignore the Reagor fumble as a receiving TD, fine. But 99.9% of the time, that situation results in a TD.
                If you want to recognize Dissly as a blocking-only TE... also fine. But don't be surprised if he hangs 8/80 on you... again.
                When actual good teams with good defenses like Steelers and Chiefs snuffed out our run game, Herbert passed for under 200 yards, and we lost. That is more relevent to what matters in being a good team than one 349 yard game against a bottom ranked defense

                Of course I am not going to think of the Raegor fumble as a TD, because it was not one. The fact that a complete bust who has bounced around the league made a stupid play of where he had the ball only further illustrates my point of getting better WRs in here. The guy should not even be on the field

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                • Boltnut
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                  Originally posted by AFboltfan View Post

                  Everett was a much better fit than Hurst blocking be damned... We have blockers. What we're missing is TD's... Blocking means nothing when you can't score.

                  Harbaugh and Hortiz ripped off the band aid too quickly and now we're bleeding.

                  I get it though... Choices were made and some of them forcibly.
                  They had absolutely no choice. I knew the band aid was going to be ripped off the day TT signed JC Jackson.
                  I'm not sitting with here with 20/20 hind-sight vision. I called it out that day. I wanted Trent McDuffie. So did the SB Chiefs.

                  MW got cut just to make the cap.
                  They were sitting there just under the cap... with no money to sign draft picks... and 35 players on their roster.
                  They had a 1st rounder and 3rd rounder on the roster... and drafted another starter with their 2nd rounder.
                  Then with limited funds brought another potential starter in for cheap... along with a cheap TE...

                  What else were they going to do...?
                  The hard decisions should have been made 2 years prior.
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                  • Boltnut
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                    Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

                    A 5th for someone like Johson, who most likely will not be back next year is not a good deal.

                    That's throwing away a Cam Hart or Tarheeb Still.
                    100%
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                    • CanadianBoltFan
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                      Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

                      All teams like to run the football Boltnut; you are basically saying that we primarily run the football.
                      Arizona just showed you that any NFL defense, even bad ones, can take that away .... and that was with our starting offensive line & lead back out there.

                      I hope you are not saying that Dissley is a dependable receiver; nor that Chark's return is dependable or take away the fumble by Reagor and he's td maker.
                      Herbert's 350 added up to 17 points - you lose more often than no with that ouput ... when receiver needed to make plays and get open, they simply couldn't against a 3rd rate NFL secondary.

                      I'm for bringing in a pass catcher, but not renting one out for half a season, giving up a 5th.
                      We all no what Telesco would do right now.
                      Dontae Johnson for a 5th or whatever is only one example. there are many WR options available out there for a variety of prices.

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                      • rensoul
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                        Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post

                        Those stats turned out to be less significant because neither at any time threatened to score the elusive TD. That was also a career game from Dissly. More so, these two players as our primary weapons did nothing to back off a suspect run defense from loading up and snuffing out our run game.

                        With or without injuries our top 2 WRs are Ladd and QJ. I like them both as developmental players and especially think Ladds future is bright but they are not there this year yet. I think we can see what this passing game is.

                        I am not one holding out hope that DJ Chark is the saviour of this passing game and I dont think the Chargers should be either. Sure throw him in the mix, he could contribute, if he can ever get in the field. But he has has one good season in the NFL when he was a difference maker and it was 5 years ago.

                        What is so wrong with building talent at every position? Everyone seemed to love it when Hortiz brought in Molden to add the the secondary. A 5th for Johnson would still leave us with 10 draft picks next April and I think he could be a great fit for Herbert. A veteran, good route runner who can constantly get open and give defenses something to account for. If Chark gets on the field as a complientary deep threat even better

                        I don't think it is the best plan but I think they are hoping Chark is going to play a big role the rest of the way. That's my guess based on the lack of trades or bringing any other WR's in.

                        I think there is still an outside chance they trade for MW due to familiarity with Herbert if the price gets low enough near the trade deadline but I'm not counting on it.

                        It's a long shot but at least with Chark there is a ceiling of a once upon a time pro bowl WR if he can put it all back together and stay on the field.

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                        • powderblueboy
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                          Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                          They sure do... ask LaDanian Tomlinson.
                          How about asking Jesse Chatman?

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