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[gzubeck]

I think this is somewhat skewing the facts concerning wide receivers. Probably most of them are taken in the late first round like we took QJ. I have a weird feeling that after this years draft those numbers are going to drastically change to like 30% for first and 30% for second rounders. LOL!

[AK47]

Teams that don't have a great WR, LT are desperate to find one and take more chances.

Yeah these are premium positions too.

Also provides insight in how some teams continually invest in IOL and always have a good online. They're effectively taking on less draft capitol risk.

[dmac_bolt]

I think this is somewhat skewing the facts concerning wide receivers. Probably most of them are taken in the late first round like we took QJ. I have a weird feeling that after this years draft those numbers are going to drastically change to like 30% for first and 30% for second rounders. LOL!

I don't think so - I think its far fewer OCs or TEs are ever taken in R1 due to "value". The R1 picks for these positions that are taken are just more likely to be evaluated to be extraordinary. OCs in particular - I'd guess most R1 OCs were taken late(r) in R1, not early.

WRs are more often taken in R1 even if they are not superstar consensus locks. And of course, Al Davis single-handedly skewed their stat with his annual wacky over-draft of a doomed track star

[gzubeck]

I don't think so - I think its far fewer OCs or TEs are ever taken in R1 due to "value". The R1 picks for these positions that are taken are just more likely to be evaluated to be extraordinary. OCs in particular - I'd guess most R1 OCs were taken late(r) in R1, not early.

WRs are more often taken in R1 even if they are not superstar consensus locks. And of course, Al Davis single-handedly skewed their stat with his annual wacky over-draft of a doomed track star

I'm just thinking that this year it's going to provide very good NFL wide receivers not just superstars...Meaning the success rate of just getting successful receivers will be off the charts for this year...I think what I was trying to say is that WRs are over drafted in the bottom of the first round in lean years (Like QJ) who should have been taken in the second round which really skews the success rate for WRs in general.

[sonorajim]

Yeah these are premium positions too.

Also provides insight in how some teams continually invest in IOL and always have a good online. They're effectively taking on less draft capitol risk.

IOL drafted rd 2 - 5 is pretty steady.

[blueman]

I'm not forgetting anything and I've said for coaches to work it out too. I'll trust their evaluations. I'm not a Pipkins fanboy, I'm just not a hysterical critic.
you are forgetting Pipkins played well at RT in 2022. He allowed 2 sacks in ~900 snaps. You're also forgetting he played better than Salyer and Zion (and Clapp) in 2023. Or, rather, you're ignoring it.

Replace every name not Mack is what this forum sounds like most days. I'm calmer than that.

Pip had a lot of help in 2022 that I recall. Any RT will look better with somebody chipping his guy. One on one, just haven’t seen it, but agree the coaches can work it out. The IOL was so dreadful in 2023 not sure Pip scaling out better is a reason to keep him lol. (And that last was a joke, I say, a joke 😎).

[dmac_bolt]

Pip had a lot of help in 2022 that I recall. Any RT will look better with somebody chipping his guy. One on one, just haven’t seen it, but agree the coaches can work it out. The IOL was so dreadful in 2023 not sure Pip scaling out better is a reason to keep him lol. (And that last was a joke, I say, a joke 😎).

lol ok. Pip had alot of help, Salyer had none. got it.

[blueman]

lol ok. Pip had alot of help, Salyer had none. got it.

I’m sure both did. Coaches will sort it out, hopefully for the better.

[Fouts2herbert]

But it is a restructure though. You just described what a restructure is in the following sentence.

traditional restructures as most of us understand them is when the team converts salary into bonuses to spread the hit over multiple years creating cap space, but this is different, Linsley is not getting anything, they are cutting salary he would've made out of the deal in 2024 to help minimize the dead cap hit once he retires, so it's both a restructure and a pay cut but it really isn't either one as well, it's a special deal...

it's a one time RPRCRR or "retirement pay reduction cap relief restructure"

[Fouts2herbert]

You seem to be forgetting Salyer’s much better play at LT the year before, when Slater was injured. I mean even Slater looked pretty bad at times last season, and Zion was about equally bad as Salyer was.

Im willing to let the new coaches work this out, Salyer was great at RT at college, and has position flexibility. If he’s only good for a backup so be it.

Seriously, there’s only one player last season who played lights out (and it wasn’t Herbert..). Replace everyone not named Mack lol.

and why are you selectively forgetting or leaving out the part about how pipkins played much better in 2022 as well? so one guy gets a pass for 2023 but the other doesn't? pipkin's critics agree that the whole line had a down year in 2023 but at the same time it's become a fantastic opportunity to single out the guy they don't like and everyone else get's a pass, LOL...

[dmac_bolt]

I’m sure both did. Coaches will sort it out, hopefully for the better.

Agree. If they decide to play Salyer over Pip at RT, thats A-ok with me - like I give a flip. they forgot more football than I'll ever know.

[blueman]

and why are you selectively forgetting or leaving out the part about how pipkins played much better in 2022 as well? so one guy gets a pass for 2023 but the other doesn't? pipkin's critics agree that the whole line had a down year in 2023 but at the same time it's become a fantastic opportunity to single out the guy they don't like and everyone else get's a pass, LOL...

I guess I’ve seen so much bad play from Pip, including recently, I think of 2022 as an anomaly. Sayler, I’d give him a pass based on much better college play, also he was not in the spot I think is his best in 2023, whereas Pip was. Move Salyer back to his natural position, I think we get better play at RT. But I’m also fine letting it play out in TC as the new coaches think best. Heck, we may draft somebody better than both.