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[Formula 21]

We have Herbatron. We will have excellent coaching. We will have excellent preparation. We will have an excellent attitude. We have a 4th place schedule.

We will have a winning record in 2024.

[Bolt4Knob]

We really need to get younger, faster and more physical. Personally i dont care if it takes one year for a reset, i am all up for a culture change and significant makeover of this team.

I dont want to just trot all the same guys back and keep pushing money into the future and have to pay later. Lets not forget Herbert's salary will keep going up and up.

This is the long term solution

I don't want to keep trotting out the same players that haven't won jack shit. And it might not be individually their fault but collectively - its not working. AS you said in your other post, underachieving. And again, probably not their fault but not sure this exact group is the solution

Exactly right about pushing money. Joey Bosa is not worth it - he just isn't. He is overrated, overpaid and gets hurt. Mike Williams, two years in a row, will be on the pup. And once you lose the cap space and push the money, - you can't get it back.

Mack is probably the toughest decision - but if the team wants to spend money on Mack (and at present thats over $20m and he probably doesn't want to take a pay cut) - just find a younger player that fits the timeline of the next 3-4 years. Mack will not have a better year than he has this year in all likelihood.

[Bolt4Knob]

Harbaugh has mentioned that the Chargers have many good players... Keenan, Joey, Khalil, and Derwin (by name).
By March 13th, they have to be under the cap and have 51 rostered players.
You can't trade anyone before 3/13 in order to clear your cap. You can cut, re-structure, and extend (that's my understanding).

1) Cut Linsley, MW, and Kendricks
2) Re-structure Joey and Derwin
3) Tender 4 or the 5 ERFA's

At this point, you have 50 on the roster and you're $5.4m under the cap.
You haven't touched Keenan's or Khalil's contracts at all. Those can be figured out later.

Edit: BTW, still $115m under the cap for 2025 and $197m under the cap for 2026.

Are you wanting to push money for Bosa into the future and still pay him $22m or are you saying, take less money?


As for your 115 and 197 - that will go very fast. For instance, the current $115m under for 2025, between getting to the 53 player roster, two draft classes, players like Samuel Palmer and Slater getting new deals (unless you don't want them back) and actually signing other players to contracts and not a bunch of minimum level guys - that 115 right now is much less - and that includes savings from Bosa and Linsley

[dmac_bolt]

I didn't say Bosa doesn't want to win. I said that (IMO) his first priority is his money. Bosa has stats, but IN MY OPINION has never been a difference make for this team . . . . . . . . . The defense has been bad his entire career here. He hasn't made a substantive difference, although he's being paid to do exactly that.

Did you not watch the Jacksonville game? Don't you think Mack or KVN were being held just as much as Bosa in that game (if not more)? Did Mack / KVN lose their shit and damage the teams chances to win?

Bosa's been about 'me' since he (and his family) first held out for offset contract language before he ever played a down for the Chargers. If I recall the hold out cost him a large part of training camp, and when the season started he promptly got hurt (ankle?) and was essentially limited for the rest of the season. Until last year he has never trained with the team during the offseason or attended voluntary workouts, until he had to or lose money (fines). He has been paid all of his career to be a difference maker and a leader - but has not lived up to those standards. He is all about his money, and is the opposite of what Harbaugh wants out of his players.

All of this is my OPINION, based on my observations and assumptions. You're more than welcome to disagree . . . . . . . . . . . . I'm not right ALL the time

You need to make up your mind. You said Mack wants to win, Bosa don’t - in so many words you repeated it in multiple posts. now its that he’s not been a difference maker, which is what I sad those same many posts ago.

I watched the first half of the JAX game, had to leave for a gig at halftime. I saw snips on the bar tvs from then on. I saw Bosa having a mental breakdown and a couple bad personal outbursts, helmet slam the most notorious, because he was ineffective but he really wanted to win.

I did not see either of them have much effect on the second half, not sure the great Mack highlights you think you saw, they got torched as a complete defense the second half.

people are way too quick to accuse other people they don’t even konw that they have bad motives, bad morals, bad this n that. It’s ok you say the exact opposite now and retract your prior slander. Its a good thing for you to do. I said its strictly about performance.

[FoutsFan]

You need to make up your mind. You said Mack wants to win, Bosa don’t - in so many words you repeated it in multiple posts. now its that he’s not been a difference maker, which is what I sad those same many posts ago.

I watched the first half of the JAX game, had to leave for a gig at halftime. I saw snips on the bar tvs from then on. I saw Bosa having a mental breakdown and a couple bad personal outbursts, helmet slam the most notorious, because he was ineffective but he really wanted to win.

I did not see either of them have much effect on the second half, not sure the great Mack highlights you think you saw, they got torched as a complete defense the second half.

people are way too quick to accuse other people they don’t even konw that they have bad motives, bad morals, bad this n that. It’s ok you say the exact opposite now and retract your prior slander. Its a good thing for you to do. I said its strictly about performance.

Bosa was pissed because the Jag tacle lined up illegally EVERY play and was not called for which gave him a huge advantage, he was also holding Bosa like crazy every other play. I was as pissed at home watching it as he was on the field. It was so bad it generated a ton of NFL is rigged posts and videos online.

I do not blame Bosa for that outburst at all. Anyone who blames him either has never played sports, hates Bosa and is intentionally ignoring what happened, or just does not understand football at all.

[Bolt4Knob]

Bosa was pissed because the Jag tacle lined up illegally EVERY play and was not called for which gave him a huge advantage, he was also holding Bosa like crazy every other play. I was as pissed at home watching it as he was on the field. It was so bad it generated a ton of NFL is rigged posts and videos online.

I do not blame Bosa for that outburst at all. Anyone who blames him either has never played sports, hates Bosa and is intentionally ignoring what happened, or just does not understand football at all.

those two penalties - especially the second was very important
all he had to do was walk another 5 five and he could have knocked over the benches, the water coolers, everything. he did it on the field to get the penatly. selfishly

He's gone

[Boltnut]

Are you wanting to push money for Bosa into the future and still pay him $22m or are you saying, take less money?


As for your 115 and 197 - that will go very fast. For instance, the current $115m under for 2025, between getting to the 53 player roster, two draft classes, players like Samuel Palmer and Slater getting new deals (unless you don't want them back) and actually signing other players to contracts and not a bunch of minimum level guys - that 115 right now is much less - and that includes savings from Bosa and Linsley

I want to get under the cap by March 13th... without cutting everyone. You get nothing in return for cutting someone. You just create a hole in your roster that you have to fill via the draft.

I didn't say I liked Bosa... Jim did. Re-structuring brings his 2024 cap hit to $26m. The biggest thing this does is get us under the cap while leaving him on the roster. You can't trade him pre-March 13th anyways. After March 13th...? I'll let Jim decide.

Slater will have to be re-signed (unless you're drafting Alt @#5). The secondary cupboard is getting empty... so I prefer to keep ASJ, too. Palmer...? I'm undecided. WR's you get in the 3rd round regularly (it's where we got JP). Jim loves to run the ball and play defense. So Slater and ASJ make sense. The contracts will start off smaller... and escalate. So that $115m won't disappear as quickly as you portray it.

[Bolt4Knob]

I want to get under the cap by March 13th... without cutting everyone. You get nothing in return for cutting someone. You just create a hole in your roster that you have to fill via the draft.

I didn't say I liked Bosa... Jim did. Re-structuring brings his 2024 cap hit to $26m. The biggest thing this does is get us under the cap while leaving him on the roster. You can't trade him pre-March 13th anyways. After March 13th...? I'll let Jim decide.

Slater will have to be re-signed (unless you're drafting Alt @#5). The secondary cupboard is getting empty... so I prefer to keep ASJ, too. Palmer...? I'm undecided. WR's you get in the 3rd round regularly (it's where we got JP). Jim loves to run the ball and play defense. So Slater and ASJ make sense. The contracts will start off smaller... and escalate. So that $115m won't disappear as quickly as you portray it.

But you just pushed a bunch of cap to the future for Joey Bosa - like $12m or something and you pushed 8m for James - so thats $20m of cap

So now your $115m just became $95m and that doesn't include if you are paying two draft classes, Khalil Mack, which I assume you want too and even Keenan Allen. I did the exercise the other day - the money goes pretty quickly unless you want a bunch of minimum level players.

AS for getting nothing in return - cap space is not nothing. It is taking funds that can be used on another player. Now the owners can pocket the money and they can sign a UDFA for 800k or they can sign other players.

The way to get under the cap to trade Bosa is
1) release Mike Williams - 20m
2) Linsley retires
3) Kendricks is waived
4) if Allen is amenable to a new contract that makes sense for both parties - can save the cap space to get you under the cap - that should get to a million or so under the cap - which is all you need.

Now if there is a market for BOsa-- you can trade him

the cold hard truth is the Chargers aren't $45m under the cap - they are actually closer to $65m. granted they have various times to sign rookies, get to the 53 player roster, sign practice squad and have money for the IR - but realistically - the chargers have a shit load of work to do.

[powderblueboy]

This is the long term solution

I don't want to keep trotting out the same players that haven't won jack shit. And it might not be individually their fault but collectively - its not working.AS you said in your other post, underachieving. And again, probably not their fault but not sure this exact group is the solution

Exactly right about pushing money. Joey Bosa is not worth it - he just isn't. He is overrated, overpaid and gets hurt. Mike Williams, two years in a row, will be on the pup. And once you lose the cap space and push the money, - you can't get it back.

Mack is probably the toughest decision - but if the team wants to spend money on Mack (and at present thats over $20m and he probably doesn't want to take a pay cut) - just find a younger player that fits the timeline of the next 3-4 years. Mack will not have a better year than he has this year in all likelihood.

Does the younger play have to be any good?

At best, you'll get someone who will need 2 years to develop ...... kiss the next two years down the toilet.

Why the mania to create cap nirvana in 3 years? It rarely works splurging like a drunken sailor in free agency.

Bring in one high priced free agent - sure! Three? NO thank you.

[SAY OW 55]

Allen should restructure he’s made his money.

[SAY OW 55]

Simple facts!!!!!!!! We are helping Herbert

1. Brock Bowers/he needs a Travis Kelce type tight end. Even if he’s not Kelce Dalton Kincaid. Sam Laporta that’s where the game is going.

Harbaugh is getting him help. He said he’s getting him help.

2. Romeo Odunze/ if you think this guy is Terrell Owens or even Kennan Allen a Jamar Chase I don’t see it. But you take this guy. Is this guy gonna be a guy to get it third down get us the touchdowns????

He might be better than Marvin Harrison Jr. let’s look at his stats. Is this guy a better player than people give him credit for. He looked good against Harbaugh and Michigan.

3. Rashawn Slater. Our Franchise left tackle. He’s great at it. Right there with Tristan Whirfs. How much is he going to want? Easily $100 million dollars.

4. Nables LSU is he as good as the other LSU guys Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson. I’ll say this about his tape. He looks good. He runs clean routes. He’s a playmaker don’t go crazy on this comparison but he kind of reminds me of Debo Samuel.

We will be getting Justin Herbert some help. And Jim Harbaugh is here.

[Lefty2SLO]

You need to make up your mind. You said Mack wants to win, Bosa don’t - in so many words you repeated it in multiple posts. now its that he’s not been a difference maker, which is what I sad those same many posts ago.

I watched the first half of the JAX game, had to leave for a gig at halftime. I saw snips on the bar tvs from then on. I saw Bosa having a mental breakdown and a couple bad personal outbursts, helmet slam the most notorious, because he was ineffective but he really wanted to win.

I did not see either of them have much effect on the second half, not sure the great Mack highlights you think you saw, they got torched as a complete defense the second half.

people are way too quick to accuse other people they don’t even konw that they have bad motives, bad morals, bad this n that. It’s ok you say the exact opposite now and retract your prior slander. Its a good thing for you to do. I said its strictly about performance.

OK