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2023 Official Roster Build Thread - The Initial 53 / Practice Squad
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Originally posted by 21&500 View Post
Poker faces on people!
I can't imagine any of the league's GM's don't know we're interested in a slot corner...OLineCentric
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Originally posted by Lone Bolt View PostHelp me out here...FA begins March 15th...but can we negotiate/sign our own impending FAs before then? I mean, they arent free til March 15, it would basically be an extension, and that happens all the time. So Im surprised we have not heard ANYTHING about a single one of our players who are up...am I missing something here?
A re-structure of either Joey or MW (or KA)... and a cut to Feiler/Hopkins... makes them compliant.
Another re-structure to either Boey/KA/MW gives them enough cap space to sign the draft class and have enough in-season cap to sign FA's when players go down due to injury.
For the record... I don't think any significant FA's will be re-signed. I think Pipkins, Tranquill, Callahan, KVN, and Fox will be replaced via the draftOLineCentric
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Originally posted by Boltnut View Post
First order of business is to get cap compliant. Right now, they're $20 million over the cap.
A re-structure of either Joey or MW (or KA)... and a cut to Feiler/Hopkins... makes them compliant.
Another re-structure to either Boey/KA/MW gives them enough cap space to sign the draft class and have enough in-season cap to sign FA's when players go down due to injury.
For the record... I don't think any significant FA's will be re-signed. I think Pipkins, Tranquill, Callahan, KVN, and Fox will be replaced via the draft
3m to sign picks
7m for the season and draft class
That leaves $7m. They can sign Tranq and Fox for 7m of cap space - maybe a bit less
But remember, minimum level guys like Callahan, Fox from last year - really do not add much to the cap when the roster already is at 51/53. And players on the veteran minimum are cheap cap hits.
The biggest reason I personally suggest moving on from Bosa and Allen this year (besides the ability to create cap space) - is to create a deeper roster than keeping the those two but losing a bunch of depth like Pip, Fox, Tranquil, KVN and relying on rookies and behind them UDFAs
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Originally posted by Boltnut View Post
I would re-structure Joey and Mike Williams (both are younger and have more guaranteed money for 2024).
I would cut Keenan and Mack at the end of 2023 (both of their contracts are structured with small dead cap hits in 2024). Cutting both after 2023 frees up $46 million in 2024. Money that can be used to re-sign Herbert (and a number of others).
Keenan's dead cap is "only" $2.7 million against the 2024 cap. And Mack's dead cap is "only" $4.5 million against the 2024 cap.
Even after re-structuring Bosa and Williams... there is $34 million in cap space for 2024. Cutting Keenan and Mack gives you another $46 million. That's $80 million of cap space for 2024.
Other things to do:
Cut Hopkins and Feiler (since you already have their replacements in Salyer and Dicker).
Re-sign: ERFA Dicker, JK Scott (have to have a punter)
And your roster is up to 53.
Cap space:
2023 = $7.8 million
2024 = $39.9 million (with an additional $46 million available when you cut KA and KM)
The 7 draft picks will inevitably take the spots of the bottom 7 on the existing 53-man roster. I think Cmplxgal said this would cost about $3.5 million. That brings 2023's cap down to $4.3 million. TT probably wants a little more room than that. But an extension to Vato (and his $9.4 cap hit) could easily take care of that. If you extend Vato, it probably saves you $4 million on 2023's cap... but costs you $6 million on 2024's cap.
All said and done... $8.3 million space in 2023 (after draft class is signed), 53 on the roster. $79 million in cap space in 2024... without KA and Mack (but extended Vato) would bring the roster up to 33 after draft class. You could re-sign Herbert ($30 million in 2024)... roster up to 34 and still have $49 million left on your 2024 cap.
The other thing you have to consider when letting Pipkins, Callahan, Tranquill, and Fox walk away via FA... is you're going to get comp picks for those departures.“Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”
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Given the guaranteed team revenue, I doubt Dean cannot get a secured loan to fund Herbie’s guaranteed salary. I don’t think that will be an issue stopping them from signing him long term, and i do think they sign him long term. I just don’t know. If it will be 2023 or 2024.“Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”
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Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post
Our Rd1 pick will be in the bottom 7 on the roster? Sure hope not … definitely not in terms of cap cost, Rd1 rookies get paid a lot more than the league min, which is the bottom 15-20 on the roster.
I'm not sure the league minimum for vets but I think it's 1.1 or 1.2 mil so it isn't that much higher. Some of us are worrying too much.
Doesn't seem that hard to get out of the cap with a couple of restructures and a couple of cuts without losing anyone and having some money to sign a couple of our guys if they want to.
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Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post
Our Rd1 pick will be in the bottom 7 on the roster? Sure hope not … definitely not in terms of cap cost, Rd1 rookies get paid a lot more than the league min, which is the bottom 15-20 on the roster.
If Telesco wanted to save another $1.5m to $2m of cap - trade entirely out of the first round - get an extra pick. And the cost of 2+3 is much less than even one FRP pick at 21.
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Originally posted by Boltnut View Post
I would re-structure Joey and Mike Williams (both are younger and have more guaranteed money for 2024).
I would cut Keenan and Mack at the end of 2023 (both of their contracts are structured with small dead cap hits in 2024). Cutting both after 2023 frees up $46 million in 2024. Money that can be used to re-sign Herbert (and a number of others).
Keenan's dead cap is "only" $2.7 million against the 2024 cap. And Mack's dead cap is "only" $4.5 million against the 2024 cap.
Even after re-structuring Bosa and Williams... there is $34 million in cap space for 2024. Cutting Keenan and Mack gives you another $46 million. That's $80 million of cap space for 2024.
Other things to do:
Cut Hopkins and Feiler (since you already have their replacements in Salyer and Dicker).
Re-sign: ERFA Dicker, JK Scott (have to have a punter)
And your roster is up to 53.
Cap space:
2023 = $7.8 million
2024 = $39.9 million (with an additional $46 million available when you cut KA and KM)
The 7 draft picks will inevitably take the spots of the bottom 7 on the existing 53-man roster. I think Cmplxgal said this would cost about $3.5 million. That brings 2023's cap down to $4.3 million. TT probably wants a little more room than that. But an extension to Vato (and his $9.4 cap hit) could easily take care of that. If you extend Vato, it probably saves you $4 million on 2023's cap... but costs you $6 million on 2024's cap.
All said and done... $8.3 million space in 2023 (after draft class is signed), 53 on the roster. $79 million in cap space in 2024... without KA and Mack (but extended Vato) would bring the roster up to 33 after draft class. You could re-sign Herbert ($30 million in 2024)... roster up to 34 and still have $49 million left on your 2024 cap.
The other thing you have to consider when letting Pipkins, Callahan, Tranquill, and Fox walk away via FA... is you're going to get comp picks for those departures.
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Originally posted by Boltnut View Post
Tight cap... can't bring Callahan back. JCJ ruptured his patellar... probably start the year on the PUP. Michael Davis is on his last year of his contract...
I can't imagine any of the league's GM's don't know we're interested in a slot corner...
Can we pretend to love Jasir Taylor?
maybe for gamesmanship?
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Originally posted by Bolt4Knob View Post
The way I look at it -- the Chargers will move about $37m of cap space. I am being conservative. Meaning - they will get cap compliant and have 17m left.
3m to sign picks
7m for the season and draft class
That leaves $7m. They can sign Tranq and Fox for 7m of cap space - maybe a bit less
But remember, minimum level guys like Callahan, Fox from last year - really do not add much to the cap when the roster already is at 51/53. And players on the veteran minimum are cheap cap hits.
The biggest reason I personally suggest moving on from Bosa and Allen this year (besides the ability to create cap space) - is to create a deeper roster than keeping the those two but losing a bunch of depth like Pip, Fox, Tranquil, KVN and relying on rookies and behind them UDFAs
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Originally posted by blueman View Post
Problem with that thinking it assumes it makes us better..and that has yet to be proven as NO approach of late has produced much or anything.
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