2022 Official Chargers Season Discussion

[Bolt4Knob]

Robert Saleh had a boatload of experience in the NFL.

He got his start in 2002 at Michigan State - a big time school.
He coached under Pete Carol for 3 seasons (including their championship team)

He coached under shanarat Jr. for three seasons as DC. He was able to see how good coaches and organizations operate over a course of seasons.

He's not what the Spanos are looking for. They want greenhorns.

They want guys whose brief cumulative NFL experience was mostly spent wading through the miasma of the Bears and Elway Broncos organizations;
and then only one year with the Rams.

They want a guy who was the soon to be fired Rex Ryan's OC for a season. He must have learned a lot about the offensive side of the ball through Rex. :woot:

The two best coaches of the Spanii era were Bobby Ross and Marty Schottenheimer. They had one thing in common - experience.

The franchise poster boy was Justin Herbert and they had the perfect person for the job and they didn't pull the trigger.

[jaguarmanftype]

Robert Saleh had a boatload of experience in the NFL.

He got his start in 2002 at Michigan State - a big time school.
He coached under Pete Carol for 3 seasons (including their championship team)

He coached under shanarat Jr. for three seasons as DC.

He's not what the Spanos are looking for. They want greenhorns.

Greenhorns are more than fine, as we see Mike McDaniel, LeFleur, Shanahan, McVay, O'Connel being quite successful. The concern with the Spanos' and Telesco is their unwillingness, inability and/or unwant to find such coaches that have measurable leadership and management skills and are empowered to challenge them -- thus far, they have been decidedly short-sighted looking for purportedly creative Xs and Os coaches that can challenge (at least somewhat) the Kansas City Chiefs in the division, at least in the past decade. There wasn't much looking outside the division or the league as a whole at least to my eye. Staley seemed to be a change in that direction at least conceptually with his defensive scheme and supposed tailoring of the offense to Herbert's strengths, but thus far, it hasn't yielded the results hoped for.

[Boltinloudguy]

I see the Chargers struggling against the Raiders and Broncos. I can see them losing to the Broncos in Denver and squeaking out a win against the Raiders. Put that on top of playing the Dolphins and Titans and that’s 8 loses there. That’s not to mention the Cardinals who can be dangerous with Murray, Conner and Hopkins. If they don’t make the playoffs, Staley has to go, no ifs and or buts about it.

If you restructure Linsley and release Feiler, you can resign Pipkins. Then draft Linsley’s future replacement.

If you restructure Allen, you can sign Parris Campbell

If you restructure Bosa, can can sign more depth at Dline and Edge

If you release M. Davis, you can resign Callahan and sign more depth.

[Riverwalk]

If they don’t make the playoffs, Staley has to go, no ifs and or buts about it.

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After how Spanos and Telesco hung Staley out to dry by not bringing in any talent before the trade deadline, there is no way any sought after coach will want to be hired by this sorry as ownership.

[powderblueboy]

Greenhorns are more than fine, as we see Mike McDaniel, LeFleur, Shanahan, McVay, O'Connel being quite successful. The concern with the Spanos' and Telesco is their unwillingness, inability and/or unwant to find such coaches that have measurable leadership and management skills and are empowered to challenge them -- thus far, they have been decidedly short-sighted looking for purportedly creative Xs and Os coaches that can challenge (at least somewhat) the Kansas City Chiefs in the division, at least in the past decade. There wasn't much looking outside the division or the league as a whole at least to my eye. Staley seemed to be a change in that direction at least conceptually with his defensive scheme and supposed tailoring of the offense to Herbert's strengths, but thus far, it hasn't yielded the results hoped for.

Mike McDaniel was not a greenhorn. He spent a lot of time under the Shanarat's in Washington/San francisco and 3 years under Gary Kubiak.
McVay was very young, but he spent 6 years with the Shanarat's in Washington, his final 3 years as OC....not quite Saleh or McDaniel, but much more than Staley.

With O'Connel and LeFleur: I don't know their history.

[powderblueboy]

Greenhorns are more than fine, as we see Mike McDaniel, LeFleur, Shanahan, McVay, O'Connel being quite successful. The concern with the Spanos' and Telesco is their unwillingness, inability and/or unwant to find such coaches that have measurable leadership and management skills and are empowered to challenge them -- thus far, they have been decidedly short-sighted looking for purportedly creative Xs and Os coaches that can challenge (at least somewhat) the Kansas City Chiefs in the division, at least in the past decade. There wasn't much looking outside the division or the league as a whole at least to my eye. Staley seemed to be a change in that direction at least conceptually with his defensive scheme and supposed tailoring of the offense to Herbert's strengths, but thus far, it hasn't yielded the results hoped for.

Staley hasn't tailored anything to anybodies strengths: on offense or defense.

He came in saying that was what he was all about on the defensive side of the ball: but look what we discovered about Nwosu this year.
JC Jackson was struggling to fit in.....injuries didn't help matters.
The list is long of guys who don't fit Staley's D.

Does the offense fit Herbert?

[jaguarmanftype]

Mike McDaniel was not a greenhorn. He spent a lot of time under the Shanarat's in Washington/San francisco and 3 years under Gary Kubiak.
McVay was very young, but he spent 6 years with the Shanarat's in Washington, his final 3 years as OC....not quite Saleh or McDaniel, but much more than Staley.

With O'Connel and LeFleur: I don't know their history.

By that token, we can't really say Chargers hired greenhorns then. McCoy and Lynn had more years of experience coaching than any of them dating all the way back to the year 2000. Mike McDaniel was OC for one year in SF, McVay - 2 with the Redskins, LaFleur - 2 years combined with the Titans and Rams, O'Connell - 3 years combined with Redskins and Rams. None of them except for McVay have any coaching history before the 2010s.

[Boltgang74]

Sean Payton FTS!!!!(spanos)

[wu-dai clan]

I have LAC going 10-7.

Bosa would be necessary for us doing any damage if we sneak into the playoffs.

The teams to watch are NYJ/NE, and they still play MIN, BUF, MIA.

We actually have a shot to get in, dependent on MW's ankle and Everett's groin.

[Critty]

If they can finish 5-2. Then 10-7 will get them in.

If they finish 4-3.
9-8 is probably 1 game short. But might do it.

Last game of season will likely be a playoff game for them

[Bolt4Knob]

After how Spanos and Telesco hung Staley out to dry by not bringing in any talent before the trade deadline, there is no way any sought after coach will want to be hired by this sorry as ownership.

Last year - Akiem Hicks was a potential target that they possibly could have traded for to shore up the interior

This year WR and again DL - nothing but practice squad players

[Bolt4Knob]

If they can finish 5-2. Then 10-7 will get them in.

If they finish 4-3.
9-8 is probably 1 game short. But might do it.

Last game of season will likely be a playoff game for them

Good point
all starts this Sunday
well thursday with Pats at Vikings - SKOL

Bengals at Titans - you owe them TN