2022 Official Chargers Season Discussion

[Boltjolt]

This deffinition of a goon is where i was refering

a silly, foolish, or eccentric person

Perhaps the best word for PFF people is just the good ol fashion word....... Idiot. They spew so many worthless stats.

[La Costa Boy]

Tillery is a rotational / situational IDL pass rusher. His primary competition is Fox, Covington and Gaziano
Bash, AJ - locks. Tito close to a lock. I think they keep Fox & Tillery, maybe one more. Tillery's length & speed are hard to give up on this year if looks like he's ready to fight for a contract.

And earn us a nice compensatory pick in the process.......

[sonorajim]

And earn us a nice compensatory pick in the process.......

Either, or.
It's potentially a pitfall to re-up, or release/ trade Tillery now.
It's probable that he will be a valuable asset in 2022.
We're on a post season run. Make a call next Mar - April.

[Formula 21]

PFF’s creation of a model which concludes the 4th best offense is actually #32 is a triumph of Math over Physics. Its not worthy of elaboration.

PFF’s creativity model that shows Reid near the top and Lynn near the bottom confirms my view of who is the more creative offensive coach. Can the rest be that far off? The top is still the top and the bottom is still the bottom although exact placements may be off a little.

[Topcat]

Pfft. WTF does PFF know about unique offenses?
Lynn got his play calling duties taken away midway thru the season then got fired after the season.

All those top 4 guys have been with their same teams for years. The Falcons were awful lol.
Lombardi's first season we were 5th on offense. Still going to get better.

PFF are a bunch of goons.

PFF’s creation of a model which concludes the 4th best offense is actually #32 is a triumph of Math over Physics. Its not worthy of elaboration.

I'm not defending PFF necessarily, but how much of our success as 5th in offense last season was due to Herbie's special talents? I would say quite a bit. In my view, having Herbie at QB offset some of Lombo's lack of creativity and failure to sometimes disguise our plays. Of course, some of this is also on Staley, for doggedly going for it on 4th down, especially running plays vs. a stacked box for nada...

[sonorajim]

[QUOTE=blueman;n1356129]

9-8. 50% in one score games where the O had a chance (and our #30 D actually gave the O that chance).

Reality sucks.

Our #30 D gave the O a chance to play in a one score game by allowing the opponents to score the 3rd most points allowed by any NFL defense. We did lose 1 game vs Dal when the D allowed less than 3 TDs.
The reality is we had to have better D and yes it did suck.
It sure looks better on O, D & STs.

[chargeroo]

[QUOTE=sonorajim;n1356257]

Our #30 D gave the O a chance to play in a one score game by allowing the opponents to score the 3rd most points allowed by any NFL defense. We did lose 1 game vs Dal when the D allowed less than 3 TDs.
The reality is we had to have better D and yes it did suck.
It sure looks better on O, D & STs.

I had high hopes for our D after the first couple of games but it all went downhill fast! The addition of two run stopping DT's, a shut down CB, and one of the best pass rushers should be enough to turn it around this year. Oh, and the depth is way better.

[Boltjolt]

I'm not defending PFF necessarily, but how much of our success as 5th in offense last season was due to Herbie's special talents? I would say quite a bit. In my view, having Herbie at QB offset some of Lombo's lack of creativity and failure to sometimes disguise our plays. Of course, some of this is also on Staley, for doggedly going for it on 4th down, especially running plays vs. a stacked box for nada...

1st season in it which was pointed out in this thread, Herbert had a hard time with the terminology of it and then as time went on, felt better. All through the season when those were whining about the offense not throwing deep more, etc......it was more about doing what Herbert was comfortable and slow feeding him and NOW they have given him more of the offense to learn. Of course every offense excels with the talent they have. Would Andy Reed make Sam Darnold look better?

For PFF to even make a list of this isnt creative on their part. Reid and Shanahan are being called creative because they use their personel to their talents like Deebo as a RB and WR but Deebo has already said he isnt down doing that again lol. Hill is gone from KC and they have no one like him so we'll see and those guys have been with those teams for some years. Lambo is year 1.

I dont know why Arthur Smith is top 5.
If creative is being 26th in points scored, 31st in rushing, 29th in total yards, 29th in TOP.......then PFF nailed it with him

[blueman]

[QUOTE=sonorajim;n1356257]

Our #30 D gave the O a chance to play in a one score game by allowing the opponents to score the 3rd most points allowed by any NFL defense. We did lose 1 game vs Dal when the D allowed less than 3 TDs.
The reality is we had to have better D and yes it did suck.
It sure looks better on O, D & STs.

I’m talking the last few minutes of the game. In multiple games, the D DID give the O a chance. Doesn’t mean they didn’t suck, but it does mean our top 5 O blew it more than once - unless it’s the D’s job to score points.

It’s not a weird fantasy thing, I would think for any team in the league, if the D gets the ball back to the O with time still left to score and win the game, the O should score. Period. All kinds of crazy shit can happen in the first 58 minutes good and bad, but so what when so many games in the NFL are decided in the final two. The better teams did exactly that, and made the playoffs. We didn’t.

[chargeroo]

[QUOTE=blueman;n1356289]

I’m talking the last few minutes of the game. In multiple games, the D DID give the O a chance. Doesn’t mean they didn’t suck, but it does mean our top 5 O blew it more than once - unless it’s the D’s job to score points.

It’s not a weird fantasy thing, I would think for any team in the league, if the D gets the ball back to the O with time still left to score and win the game, the O should score. Period. All kinds of crazy shit can happen in the first 58 minutes good and bad, but so what when so many games in the NFL are decided in the final two. The better teams did exactly that, and made the playoffs. We didn’t.

KC got the ball back at their own 25, ,trailing by three with 16 seconds remaining and tied it up in that game against the Bills - 16 seconds!!

[equivocation]

PFF’s creativity model that shows Reid near the top and Lynn near the bottom confirms my view of who is the more creative offensive coach. Can the rest be that far off? The top is still the top and the bottom is still the bottom although exact placements may be off a little.

Yes?

I can't comment as I havent seen the model but we have plenty of sayings about this. "A stopped clock is right twice a day", etc. Picking 2 data points you agree with is the literal definition of cherry picking.

I would at least want the model validated aginst some sort of success metric.

[equivocation]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-which-nfl-offenses-use-the-most-unique-schemes

Yeah, this is total crap done by someone who learned PCA on Wikipedia. Read that article and tell me if it means anything to you.

"Random scatter plot is clearly correlated because I drew a line through it!" level analysis. Whats the r^2? Looks like its <0.1

Our PCA doesn't show anything per our own measurements but here's the results cuz I have to pump out content!