Coach Staley Discussion - Fired

[Heatmiser]

[Lefty2SLO]

Yeah, because if he ran onto the field and started shouting at the player “hey go get your goddamn helmet” while the player is in the midst of making a huge visible stink - that would surely be a sly way to avoid officials seeing the spectacle.

I’m not saying he was right or wrong, I’m saying it’s more likely he did it for a different reason and it’s because he cares more about his team than his petty personal ego. That would be the opposite of weak - it would be a form of strength. Exploding on the sideline and fighting shit out in public is easy to do, but it isn’t always strength. It’s often a sign of weakness. But the binary two-bit knee jerk crowd here don’t know real strength. Throw a punch or you’re a puss - yeah, right. I threw a lot of punches in my young days too - less than many around me but we were all scrappers in my neighborhood. every backyard kegger and garage party seemed to end up in some sort of brawl. I got caught in my share. And what I learned over the decades since (and assumed most of you would have also) = That wasn’t always real strength at all, it was a sign of immaturity or personality weakness in most cases. Fighting was easier than other alternatives, not harder.

But this angry crowd in TPB assumed what they think is the worst reason for what he did in that split second moment, then quickly moved to backhand imply that it’s clear proof that he is a weak pussy. How can the FO possibly keep a weak pussy as their coach, is whats trying to be said here. Thats some crude ugly macho bullshit to call our coach a pussy here in the fine halls of TPB.

But it’s worse … because none of the big-man tough-guy macho TPB coaches-in-their-imagination that imply our coach is a weak pussy even had the balls to say it. Lol - see the irony there?

A good rule of thumb for those out in TPB - If you’re thinking that, implying that, and hinting around that, but are afraid to just come out and say it - you’re a pussy.

Good lord . . . :freakout:

I've called many of Staley's decisions into question, and I've called him weak. No need to get any more vulgar than that - and your opinion is no more valid than mine (or anyone else on this board). He could have handled the Bosa situation so much better than the deer in a headlight look while he gave him his helmet back;

Go out and get him and escort him to the bench (oh so gently if you must so you don't risk bruising Joey's sensitive and bloated ego), or have another coach do it, and then go after the ref on Joey's behalf (so Bosa doesn't have to). A smart coach knows how to intercede for his players to keep them out of trouble, but at all costs get Joey off the field until he's back in control again so he doesn't do anything (else) which would damage the team's chances to win the game (or his reputation).

The sense I get with Staley, IMO, is that he's too concerned about how the players feel about him. There are hard decisions that need to be made as an NFL head coach, and you shouldn't be overly concerned as to whether the players think you're a nice guy, you only need to be seen as a FAIR guy. It's all a matter of degrees; you can't be an ass all the time, and you can't be a sop all the time either. Maybe it's just inexperience on his part, I don't know.

Bobby Ross would have tore Bosa a new one for sure . . . . . or Belichick, or Parcells (OMG that would be have been fun to watch). No wonder the Chargers have a reputation for 'coasting' in the league when players are allowed / enabled to behave like fools - without repercussion . . . . .

[dmac_bolt]

Good lord . . . :freakout:

I've called many of Staley's decisions into question, and I've called him weak. No need to get any more vulgar than that - and your opinion is no more valid than mine (or anyone else on this board). He could have handled the Bosa situation so much better than the deer in a headlight look while he gave him his helmet back;

Go out and get him and escort him to the bench (oh so gently if you must so you don't risk bruising Joey's sensitive and bloated ego), or have another coach do it, and then go after the ref on Joey's behalf (so Bosa doesn't have to). A smart coach knows how to intercede for his players to keep them out of trouble, but at all costs get Joey off the field until he's back in control again so he doesn't do anything (else) which would damage the team's chances to win the game (or his reputation).

The sense I get with Staley, IMO, is that he's too concerned about how the players feel about him. There are hard decisions that need to be made as an NFL head coach, and you shouldn't be overly concerned as to whether the players think you're a nice guy, you only need to be seen as a FAIR guy. It's all a matter of degrees; you can't be an ass all the time, and you can't be a sop all the time either. Maybe it's just inexperience on his part, I don't know.

Bobby Ross would have tore Bosa a new one for sure . . . . . or Belichick, or Parcells (OMG that would be have been fun to watch). No wonder the Chargers have a reputation for 'coasting' in the league when players are allowed / enabled to behave like fools - without repercussion . . . . .

What, too much? Lol … my point is still the same. Many here assume he just meekly simped behind Joey because he’s weak. I’m saying there is an obvious alternate reason. You don’t know what was in his head and you don’t konw what he did or didn’t do with Joey after they were not on camera.

You have an opinion of what you thought it looked like on TV. a macho tough pose that public outbursts are a necessary part of leadership. Thats a retrograde point of view, but you’re free to sense it. But its not the ONLY WAY, it’s just one approach that is less frequently applied or accepted in modern management and life in general. The majority in 2023 think its NOT OK for a boss to violently verbally berate or physically confront employees, much less do it in public.

We have seen Coach Staley take decisive actions. We have seen him bench starters. We have seen him fire and remove coaches. What we haven’t seen is public hissy fits on camera for your amusement. There is zero credible press from players or other staff that Staley is a weakling afraid to make decisions, thats just BS you decide in your head and then call him less than a man.

Bobby would have told him what ‘fer - ooh, so tough, such a leader! Wow.
But Woody would have punched him right there before he got off the field. Why is Bobby so weak, Mr Macho Old-Timer?

Oh - how many SBs did Bobby Ross win?

[powderblueboy]

What, too much? Lol … my point is still the same. Many here assume he just meekly simped behind Joey because he’s weak. I’m saying there is an obvious alternate reason. You don’t know what was in his head and you don’t konw what he did or didn’t do with Joey after they were not on camera.

You have an opinion of what you thought it looked like on TV. a macho tough pose that public outbursts are a necessary part of leadership. Thats a retrograde point of view, but you’re free to sense it. But its not the ONLY WAY, it’s just one approach that is less frequently applied or accepted in modern management and life in general. The majority in 2023 think its NOT OK for a boss to violently verbally berate or physically confront employees, much less do it in public.

We have seen Coach Staley take decisive actions. We have seen him bench starters. We have seen him fire and remove coaches. What we haven’t seen is public hissy fits on camera for your amusement. There is zero credible press from players or other staff that Staley is a weakling afraid to make decisions, thats just BS you decide in your head and then call him less than a man.

Bobby would have told him what ‘fer - ooh, so tough, such a leader! Wow.
But Woody would have punched him right there before he got off the field. Why is Bobby so weak, Mr Macho Old-Timer?

Oh - how many SBs did Bobby Ross win?

Ross won zero Superbowls: but that still doesn't diminish the sentiment that Staley is the anti-Bobby Ross and that things are not going well.
The team has talent and has played like an average team for two years. The helmet rolling incident just magnifies our perception, rightly or wrongly,
on what we think is wrong about this head coach.

Staley could have told everyone what he was thinking (when chasing after the helmet) at his presser when the question came up.
As far as I know, he didn't. He could have invented a reason: to advert a penalty, or even how that rolling helmet presented a danger to players.
He didn't say much of anything. A guy with the gift of gab remained silent, which is unfortunate.

All young head coaches, barely older than the players & who never got farther than Division III football as a player, have a difficult task of getting players and particularly vets on board.
Hell, Marty Schotternheimer had problems with that.

Personally, I think there is a big gap between how the stars on the team are treated, and the rest of the squad:
too big a gap and that it has had an effect on the disciplined style of play that he wants.
When PR (or LT) where in the locker room, they could bring everyone on board. Herbert is not PR in that respect.

Anyone disagree? Just go back to the dispute in training camp between Derwin & Naz Adderley: Staley publicly came down on Derwin's side.
Why go public with that? .... if the question comes up, just demur.

For one thing, he talks too damn much!

[sonorajim]

What, too much? Lol … my point is still the same. Many here assume he just meekly simped behind Joey because he’s weak. I’m saying there is an obvious alternate reason. You don’t know what was in his head and you don’t konw what he did or didn’t do with Joey after they were not on camera.

You have an opinion of what you thought it looked like on TV. a macho tough pose that public outbursts are a necessary part of leadership. Thats a retrograde point of view, but you’re free to sense it. But its not the ONLY WAY, it’s just one approach that is less frequently applied or accepted in modern management and life in general. The majority in 2023 think its NOT OK for a boss to violently verbally berate or physically confront employees, much less do it in public.

We have seen Coach Staley take decisive actions. We have seen him bench starters. We have seen him fire and remove coaches. What we haven’t seen is public hissy fits on camera for your amusement. There is zero credible press from players or other staff that Staley is a weakling afraid to make decisions, thats just BS you decide in your head and then call him less than a man.

Bobby would have told him what ‘fer - ooh, so tough, such a leader! Wow.
But Woody would have punched him right there before he got off the field. Why is Bobby so weak, Mr Macho Old-Timer?

Oh - how many SBs did Bobby Ross win?

I saw clips of the foot fetish guy's dad punching another coach to end his career.
I do not believe that an NFL HC losing his temper with a player in a game is a virtue.
I have no doubt that Staley has discussed Bosa's childish lack of self control with him in private.
He was brought off IR to help his team win, not to be a handicap. That must never happen again.

[Lefty2SLO]

What, too much? Lol … my point is still the same. Many here assume he just meekly simped behind Joey because he’s weak. I’m saying there is an obvious alternate reason. You don’t know what was in his head and you don’t konw what he did or didn’t do with Joey after they were not on camera.

You have an opinion of what you thought it looked like on TV. a macho tough pose that public outbursts are a necessary part of leadership. Thats a retrograde point of view, but you’re free to sense it. But its not the ONLY WAY, it’s just one approach that is less frequently applied or accepted in modern management and life in general. The majority in 2023 think its NOT OK for a boss to violently verbally berate or physically confront employees, much less do it in public.

We have seen Coach Staley take decisive actions. We have seen him bench starters. We have seen him fire and remove coaches. What we haven’t seen is public hissy fits on camera for your amusement. There is zero credible press from players or other staff that Staley is a weakling afraid to make decisions, thats just BS you decide in your head and then call him less than a man.

Bobby would have told him what ‘fer - ooh, so tough, such a leader! Wow.
But Woody would have punched him right there before he got off the field. Why is Bobby so weak, Mr Macho Old-Timer?

Oh - how many SBs did Bobby Ross win?

My last post on this subject;

What bothers me the most in this episode is that Staley's actions (or rather non-actions) hurt the teams chances of winning - it's that simple. I'm not advocating that he punch Joey out right there on the field - that would be ridiculous (in many ways), and I made it clear in my post what I would have preferred to see happen.

IMO what I saw on TV is a coach coddling one of his star players by not dealing with his outburst. I also agree with PowderBlueBoy that there seems to be a difference in how star players are treated on this team - Derwin and Joey seem to have a lot of latitude, but that's just my personal perception based on very little.

You can continue to defend BS - everyone's got a right to their opinion, I just happen to disagree. We will see next year if he can get more out of this team - starting with the defense.

[chargeroo]

Years ago the HC was allowed to fine players for things like Joey did. The times have changed. Now the HC can get in hot water for chewing a guy out. Get used to it. It's like protecting the QB, it's likely to get worse.

[gzubeck]

My last post on this subject;

What bothers me the most in this episode is that Staley's actions (or rather non-actions) hurt the teams chances of winning - it's that simple. I'm not advocating that he punch Joey out right there on the field - that would be ridiculous (in many ways), and I made it clear in my post what I would have preferred to see happen.

IMO what I saw on TV is a coach coddling one of his star players by not dealing with his outburst. I also agree with PowderBlueBoy that there seems to be a difference in how star players are treated on this team - Derwin and Joey seem to have a lot of latitude, but that's just my personal perception based on very little.

You can continue to defend BS - everyone's got a right to their opinion, I just happen to disagree. We will see next year if he can get more out of this team - starting with the defense.

Staley can spread the frosting on the cake and let Ansley bring the hammer when needed. LOL!

[Heatmiser]

Years ago the HC was allowed to fine players for things like Joey did. The times have changed. Now the HC can get in hot water for chewing a guy out. Get used to it. It's like protecting the QB, it's likely to get worse.

You mean HCs need to watch their pronouns, too?

TG

[dmac_bolt]

My last post on this subject;

What bothers me the most in this episode is that Staley's actions (or rather non-actions) hurt the teams chances of winning - it's that simple. I'm not advocating that he punch Joey out right there on the field - that would be ridiculous (in many ways), and I made it clear in my post what I would have preferred to see happen.

IMO what I saw on TV is a coach coddling one of his star players by not dealing with his outburst. I also agree with PowderBlueBoy that there seems to be a difference in how star players are treated on this team - Derwin and Joey seem to have a lot of latitude, but that's just my personal perception based on very little.

You can continue to defend BS - everyone's got a right to their opinion, I just happen to disagree. We will see next year if he can get more out of this team - starting with the defense.

You see what you already decided you want to see. It is based on very little, completely agree. You can continue to make up what isnt known to fit your predefined story. Carry on.

There is no basis in your assertion that Staley’s actions in that episode hurt the team’s chances of winning - there’s just you seeing what you want to see and making up the missing shit. You haven’t even explained your theory of how his action in that episode hurt the team’s chance to win much. How does grabbing a helmet thrown by a player hurt the team’ chance to win, exactly?

Did you miss the game where Staley benched his star high-$$ FA CB? But guess what - there are differences in how star players are treated vs #53 UDFA min non-guaranteed salary non-activated backup scrub on every NFL team. But don’t stop there, star players are treated differently on every team in every sport. It was there in little league, pop warner, HS, NCAA, and yes all pro sports. every team. Star players have earned more latitude and trust and have greater value to the team.

BREAKING NEWS>. Star Players Are Treated Differently - News At 11!!!

[Lone Bolt]

Just weighing in...

I like Staley. Like the hell out of him, in fact. He is growing as a HC, and I look for him to learn from his mistakes, and see even more improvement in his coaching game.

He is a winning coach in his first 2 seasons, with a playoff berth, and the players love him...good enough for me. I look forward to him and the Bolts proving me right, with even more success next year.

That is all.

[Trumpet Man]

I think you can figure out a better term to use that doesn't relate to genitalia.

Nope. Dude is a pussy. Mangina is a close second descriptor. I lost all respect for this coach during the playoffs and how the players reacted. If Joey Bosa had no respect for the coach, then why should I as a fan ? Been at this too damn long to sit back and give the coach a pass. It ain't happening. Coach acted like a flaming pussy. Coach should have read Joey the riot act but nope and that same coaching attitude will continue until major league changes are made. Staley is not changing and wants to be everyone's friend instead of showing tough love.