Coach Staley Discussion - Fired

[dmac_bolt]

Clearly Steichen went to the Eagles.
Staley's 1st choices were Mike McDaniel, Kevin O'Connel, Nathaniel Hackett. https://theathletic.com/4101751/2023...e-coordinator/.

This board was faaaaaaar from unanimous that Steichen was a genius, or that he was the next coach prodigy to hang on to at all costs. A lot thought he basically ran a clone of the Whiz offense. Its nice to see him succeeding so far ...

[dmac_bolt]

https://www.joebucsfan.com/2023/05/y...a-quarterback/

Interesting discussion about whether a head coach from a defensive background can develop young QB talent. Alex Smith was on Sirius radio talking about it.

“There is a different mentality, from my career, when you play for an offensive head coach that wants to light up the scoreboard and outscore the opponent. There’s a different mentality you have, especially as a young quarterback versus a defensive head coach, when really the [coach’s] mentality is ‘Hey, don’t screw up, don’t turn the ball over, don’t put us in a bad situation.’ … That’s a huge difference in a mentality and a mindset for a young quarterback, especially if it’s a bit rocky to start.”

Smith got personal when it came to the New York Jets, with defensive-guru head coach Robert Saleh, and their failings with first-round pick Zach Wilson at quarterback.

“Yeah, Robert Saleh, you’re a great defensive mind and coordinator, but like you have no idea how to develop a quarterback. The coordinator you hired never called plays. So that’s a completely different animal. And as much as you think you’re prepared to handle that development of a young kid, you’re just not.”

Smith started his career with the 49ers and his head coach was Mike Nolan. I can see where Nolan would adopt that attitude toward a rookie QB - be careful and don't screw up. We've had this discussion before, whether Staley is the right choice to be Herbert's head coach. Staley has zero experience with NFL offenses. But his attitude toward young QBs is not a dour as Nolan probably was when Smith was a rookie. Staley is not conservative and wants an offense that will push the ball down the field, and take risks doing so. He's got that mindset in an OC with Moore. But it doesn't change the fact that he has head coach has absolutely no experience playing on or coaching an NFL offense, and one still has to wonder if that has been detrimental to Herbert's development.

well, someone stunted the fuck out of Alex Smith - he has every reason to search for answers

[sonorajim]

IF you listen to the words he says, and disregard his performance . . . . .

His version of coachspeak makes me a little nauseous, bores me to sleep.
I enjoyed the top 10 pass D.
Can't wait to see our starters vs Mia Sep 10.

[richpjr]

This board was faaaaaaar from unanimous that Steichen was a genius, or that he was the next coach prodigy to hang on to at all costs. A lot thought he basically ran a clone of the Whiz offense. Its nice to see him succeeding so far ...

Steichen definitely had some fans here but there were an awful lot of posters who were happy he was gone.

[dmac_bolt]

Steichen definitely had some fans here but there were an awful lot of posters who were happy he was gone.

that is my recollection as well. I didnt think he was a genius - in hindsight i think I under-evaluated him but its a complete historical rewrite to say letting him go was the most obvious blunder in history.

[jamrock]

Steichen definitely had some fans here but there were an awful lot of posters who were happy he was gone.

It doesn’t matter what posters at TPB think when determining whether something was the right or wrong decision.

[jamrock]

that is my recollection as well. I didnt think he was a genius - in hindsight i think I under-evaluated him but its a complete historical rewrite to say letting him go was the most obvious blunder in history.

History is literally written with the benefit of hindsight

[Lefty2SLO]

His version of coachspeak makes me a little nauseous, bores me to sleep.
I enjoyed the top 10 pass D.
Can't wait to see our starters vs Mia Sep 10.

I think his 'coachspeak' is his best attribute . . . . . . .

[jamrock]

I think his 'coachspeak' is his best attribute . . . . . . .

It’s how he got the job.

[Lefty2SLO]

It’s how he got the job.

Clearly . . . . . . . .

[sonorajim]

I think his 'coachspeak' is his best attribute . . . . . . .

LOL! Not IMO.
Being the Defensive Coordinator of LAR's #1 D was the top selling point.
Add the fact that he interviewed for and secured 10 previous coaching jobs, 3 of them in the NFL
and it's safe to say he has superior skills at "interviewspeak".

[dmac_bolt]

Don’t discount the possibility he might just be a good coach. He’s gonna shock the world in 2023 and all yee who doubt shall eat thine crow unplucked. What year is this?

YEAR OF THE FLIP!