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Originally posted by Panama View PostYou're right, it is stunning. But what's stunning is that you think if a WR uses technique to position his body, a CB couldn't possibly use technique to prevent that happening. You said technique is irrelevant in the case where a WR uses his body to shield the ball from the defender, and that's just plain wrong. The CB would employ his technique to try to either prevent or overcome that.
Do you recall Harold Carmichael? How did he frequently succeed in the NFL? The Eagles threw him high balls and he caught them. At 6'8", he enjoyed a large height advantage over most CBs, even average sized CBs. His advantage over average sized CBs is about the same advantage that today's bigger receivers have over Verrett. I saw Harold Carmichael play, his size was his main advantage over other players and it mattered a lot. You are just fooling yourself if you think that Verrett's diminutive size will not be a factor against bigger receivers.
A little size difference is something that teams would have a more difficult time exploiting. A huge size difference is much easier to exploit. And I will say it again, plays will happen in those matchups on which Verrett's technique will not matter. He can do everything just right to the very best of his ability and it will not matter. The WR will catch the ball anyway. His technique will be rendered irrelevant in those instances.
That weakness plus his size related deficiencies in run defense make him a second round pick in my view. When he gets taken in the second round, you will know why.
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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostThey were only measured to an eighth of an inch. I converted the fractions to decimals.
Now here is a good question, how do they measure length? Is it to the tips of which finger, and where on the shoulder do they measure too? How about do they use a tape measure along the arm, in which case, how do they remove the size of the arm?
The point of all this is you are splitting hairs. When you are running down the field pumping your arms, leaning forward, twisting, turning,jump, stumbling.... it doesn't matter. Those are hypothetical lengths, from arbitary points and they don't reflect real world conditions on the field. So why the hell do you think it is so important?Last edited by Steve; 04-17-2014, 10:26 AM.
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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostI disagree with your description of "technique".
Whether basketball defenders had Verrett's speed, etc. is irrelevant. I never said I was a professional level athlete. The point was about size, catch radius and body position among similar level athletes and the impact that a difference in size may have.
I never said Gates was all physical--not even close to what I said. I indicated that Gates does a good job of using his body to shield defenders from the ball. That does not mean that he does not do other things well. For you to suggest that that is what I meant is just illogical.
I never said that all anyone needed was a tall receiver to excel--not even close to what I said.
I indicated that Verrett might be susceptible to the challenges presented by taller receivers because he is small. I think the list of big receivers that you named that did not have great careers in the NFL may have had better results if they got to match up against small framed 5'9" CBs every week. Such a DB match up would be pretty ideal for them--as good as it is going to get anyway.
I never said those lesser WRs actually got to play against diminutive CBs every week, did I?
You ask how many tall receivers excel at going up to get the ball. Again, it is the wrong question and it ignores the point of my discussion. How would Floyd, Jackson, et cetera do going up against a 5'9" CB on high balls? I would bet on them and not on the 5'9" CB. That's the point.
The rest of your post is your usual amateur GM, draftnik crap. You were horribly wrong on Allen last year and this is all in the same vein. Utterly ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostI would have nightmares if Telesco attempted to bring that soft, pussy Colts type dumb ass Tampa-2 defense to our team. The thought of watching other teams shove it up our asses on the ground in the playoffs like teams did so many times to those Colts teams disgusts me. The approach is just about 180 degrees opposite of the big, physical and intimidating defense I would want us to have.
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Originally posted by Yubaking View PostIf that is what happened with Buster Davis, then my view of A.J. just took an even bigger hit than it did with the pick itself. How in the heck is an NFL GM not ready if a player he likes gets drafted. If he likes the player, isn't it possible that some other team likes him? There is so much time between picks in an NFL draft, a GM should never have to scramble and should be ready with contingency plans. I couldn't imagine anything like that happening. That wouldn't even happen to an owner in my fantasy baseball league's draft with a 90 second limit between picks.
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Originally posted by Panama View PostI've heard it say that football is a game of inches, but never of hundredths of inches. I would say that by basing your arguments on measurements of such level of precision you've lost all credibility, only you lost that several months ago.
I provided the information to show that the fractions of an inch actually went the other way--the difference was even greater than, not less than, the figure to which I had rounded.
It is not the fractions of an inch that matter in the discussion either, but the several inches of difference in total length and different body types that do have an impact.
I said that already, of course, more than once, but there's than darn pesky reading comprehension thing again.
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