2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[SuperChargedRodney37]

Who said only the top OT can upgrade, RT?
I will take Walter Rouse from Oklahoma who is currently going Rd5-7 in most mocks to unseat Pipkins. Or get a OG and put Salyer at RT. And if Pipkins can win the job, then we have better depth.

But the reason to get Joe Alt or another top OT is to really upgrade the entire OL. Now you have bookends and insurance at LT, plus depth.

Bowers isn't going to impact the team as much.....and remember Jim said it's the OL everyone relies upon. Especially if you want to be a power run and play action offense.

I believe Pipkins will be the starting RT again this season. He's not as bad as people make him out to be. However, I like your thinking of getting more interior lineman and the possibility of Salyer at RT in 2025 or 2026.

[SuperChargedRodney37]

For those of you who think Dissly was brought here to assist or protect Plumkins... this isn't true. He will do his own work on DE's, LB's and safeties. I leave you two videos. The first video shows how good he was in one-v-one run blocks. The second video shows how Greg Roman used his TE's to get the Raven's run game going. Take note of the RT (Orlando Brown Jr). He is asked to execute his own blocks (often down field) all on his own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na0SbCIm0eY

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6397/how-greg-roman-s-schemes-revitalized-the-baltimore-ravens-rushing-attack

It's absolutely ridiculous to assume that bringing in Dissly means that his job is to help Plumpkins...

I actually never said that Dissly was brought here to specifically assist Pipkins. I said that ANY inline TE will by default assist with the Offensive Tackle. Whether that is with run blocking, or pass blocking by chipping before his release. The acquisition of Dissly or any upper-level blocking TE absolutely improves the line blocking as a whole. Some teams end up using the swing tackle to accomplish this. With Dissly at least he has a treat of catching passes to keep the defense honest.

[Boltjolt]

Minnesota needs a starting QB. Harbaugh has been talking up JJ McCarthy. Bo Nix is seen as a mid/late 1st round pick... maybe a 2nd rounder. Same goes for Michael Penix... and he has injury history. Their #23 pick might be used as a flier on Nix/Penix... but JJ McCarthy is rated higher by everybody.

Cardinals are rumored to be a trade partner with the Vikings. But will they really pass on MHJ...? I doubt it.

The Chargers have leverage after the Falcons beat the Vikings out for Cousins in free agency.
I think trading up to #4 would cost the Vikings additional picks they just can't afford to give away.
Meanwhile, I think the Chargers would be willing to move back to #11 without asking for more than the #23 pick.

Except we will, and should.

[Boltjolt]

Okay, In your scenario you're assuming the Chargers would actually pass on Nabors at #5. I think you are extremely underrated the value of Nabors to the team and what he provides.

As for your trade down scenario with the Vikings: Again, the Chargers have NO leverage period. The Vikings are balking at giving Arizona #11 and #23 and a 2025 1st right now. You believe they would give the Chargers #23 when this deal would have to take place while the Chargers are on the 15-minute clock.
The value of pick #5 is 1,700 points.
The value of #11 and #23 is 2,010 points.
That means the Vikings would have to overpay the equivalent of 310 points which is a late 2nd round pick. Even if you say the so called "Quarterback Tax" comes into play. You would still need leverage over the Vikings to pay that.
(Not happening) why because you would have to convince them that either the Raiders or Broncos are giving you a better package and that the Chargers are willing to give their Divisional foes a Franchise QB, all while passing on a Bona-fide Elite talent they would otherwise not have an opportunity to draft.
You can't use the threat of the Giants against them because the Giants would only give up a 3rd at best (70) or more likely a pick swap of #70 for #105.

Then you have to assume the Chargers would be willing to give up what would be their #2 player on their draft board (an Elite player) for a "potential starter at #11" and a player at #23 that they value so much they feel they can't get that value at #37 or later. **I highly, highly doubt the player at #23 in this draft is that much worse than the player at #37 or even #43 for them. (ie. Mike Sainristil @ 43)

Maybe you don't realize something.
Minnesota is said to be desperate for a QB and really want Maye but in case he is gone they have brought in JJ. You can throw that draft chart out the friggin window. We ahe something they don't to achieve getting that QB. We have #5.
If they want Maye /McCarthy they SHOULD want to outbid then Raiders or Giants or whoever to mskemsure theybget him. We shouldn't have to convince them of shit. Tell them what we want and they can say no...but they don't have a second rounder so now what? We don't want a 2025 second round. I don't think it will be that hard to get it. In fact many other pundits think we should get more. I've heard also a 2025 3rd, or their 4th this year and I've heard 2025 first. So it isn't crazy talk.

That trade chart means little in this case.

[Charge!]

The more I watch Legette WR the more I like him. He seems like a Harbaugh type of receiver. He has the body type that would be a good blocker. Guy is built like a shit brick house.

agree.....he looks like Bolden....

[dmac_bolt]

OT has become dominant in TPB, thanks to a couple hardy enthusiasts. Let’s say OT is A priority … the next question is the most assumed question of the off-season - what type of OT does JH want?

Does he want a nasty crushing tone setting roadgrader? A lot of folks have said this for a long time. If so, Fuaga and Latham bring that nasty streak, Alt does not … 5 is an overdraft for them as they do not possess the pure LT skill set that is worthy of 5.

Does he want foremost to protect Herbie and gain LT insurance? In that case, Alt is the best and he is worth a 5 as he brings LT starter capability that gives future flexibility when Slater becomes expensive. I think Alt will transition to RT ok. We have real coaches now after all.

Does JH value a pick that already is an experienced RT? That decrements Alt odds to probably off the board if he also wants that bone-crusher.

I have no idea. I have no idea how those who possess levels of certainty do. I get all the tea leaf readers and I see what they see - I just don’t translate that into certainty about any pick. I am sure they will draft OL - I do not know who or when. I don’t even know if it will be OT or interior. I don’t believe it’s Alt or Nothing but then again, it could be Alt.

Factor into all of that OT analysis - the team does have other needs. He obviously cares about OL as a foundation, but does he see that as the greatest weakness or maximum improvement opportunity? Again I’m ???

can’t wait to find out!

[dmac_bolt]

agree.....he looks like Bolden....

Legette caught my eye early in the process too. He is probably Rd3, maybe fall to 4

[Charge!]

Any inline blocking TE will assist the tackle they line up against. This is done in Mutiple ways. If you don't think Dissly will absolutely chip block on a lot of passing downs before he releases on his routes, I'm not sure what to tell you. In fact, Hayden Hurst spoke about how in this office the First priority of the TE is blocking.

That is why we need to draft the best FOOTBALL PLAYER, Brock Bowers, who will instantly be our best offensive football player after Herbert, best receiver, and likely rookie of the year to go with our coach of the year awards.....

Bowers will have the greatest positive impact of any rookie this coming season..... but Chiefs and Patriots have proven you can win many SB's with a great QB and great TE, with no great WR's...... great TE's are the biggest difference making matchup nightmares on an offense.... and Bowers is maybe the greatest TE prospect in history.....

Unfortunately people are too obsessed with Diva WR's.....

[SuperChargedRodney37]

Maybe you don't realize something.
Minnesota is said to be desperate for a QB and really want Maye but in case he is gone they have brought in JJ. You can throw that draft chart out the friggin window. We ahe something they don't to achieve getting that QB. We have #5.
If they want Maye /McCarthy they SHOULD want to outbid then Raiders or Giants or whoever to mskemsure theybget him. We shouldn't have to convince them of shit. Tell them what we want and they can say no...but they don't have a second rounder so now what? We don't want a 2025 second round. I don't think it will be that hard to get it. In fact many other pundits think we should get more. I've heard also a 2025 3rd, or their 4th this year and I've heard 2025 first. So it isn't crazy talk.

That trade chart means little in this case.

Agree to disagree with this take as the "Draft Value" is absolutely real and your whole premise of the Vikings desperation is somewhat overblown. The Vikings have already balked at Arizona's ask of an additional 2025 1st round pick. The Vikings also recent attended Michael Penix's pre-draft work out and flew the entire staff out to meet him and hold a private workout. So, you can say it's all a "Smoke Screen" but the Vikings most certainly don't have to give into the Chargers ask for either Maye or McCarthy and quite frankly, who says that either Maye or McCarthy are actually rated higher than Penix on their board. That is nothing but pundit draftnik assumptions regarding the QB Draft order.

I know you really like Bowers and the trade back is the only way to make a Bowers pick make sense from a "positional value" standpoint, but unfortunately that ship has sailed, and I actually like Bowers.

[Charge!]

Legette caught my eye early in the process too. He is probably Rd3, maybe fall to 4

i like him...big, fast, with Harbaugh like kick ass physical attitude.... this is a very deep WR draft and we can add one or 2 great prospects after first round....

[Boltnut]

Any inline blocking TE will assist the tackle they line up against. This is done in Mutiple ways. If you don't think Dissly will absolutely chip block on a lot of passing downs before he releases on his routes, I'm not sure what to tell you. In fact, Hayden Hurst spoke about how in this office the First priority of the TE is blocking.

Did you watch the video I posted on Roman's offense...? There was very little OT help. The TE was used in motion (in the B-Gap). The TE was used on a DE alone, while the RT climbed out to the 2nd level (something Pipkins is really bad at). The TE got after the OLB while the RT got to his landmark on the Mike (another thing Pipkins is not good at). There was very little "assisting". I've watched how Dissly was used in Seattle, too. He's underrated as a receiver. He'll go one-v-one on a edge LB... then release for the reception. Almost every reception, LB's and safeties are expecting him to run block... then he runs right by them. I rarely saw him chip for an OT.

[Critty]

OT has become dominant in TPB, thanks to a couple hardy enthusiasts. Let’s say OT is A priority … the next question is the most assumed question of the off-season - what type of OT does JH want?

Does he want a nasty crushing tone setting roadgrader? A lot of folks have said this for a long time. If so, Fuaga and Latham bring that nasty streak, Alt does not … 5 is an overdraft for them as they do not possess the pure LT skill set that is worthy of 5.

Does he want foremost to protect Herbie and gain LT insurance? In that case, Alt is the best and he is worth a 5 as he brings LT starter capability that gives future flexibility when Slater becomes expensive. I think Alt will transition to RT ok. We have real coaches now after all.

Does JH value a pick that already is an experienced RT? That decrements Alt odds to probably off the board if he also wants that bone-crusher.

I have no idea. I have no idea how those who possess levels of certainty do. I get all the tea leaf readers and I see what they see - I just don’t translate that into certainty about any pick. I am sure they will draft OL - I do not know who or when. I don’t even know if it will be OT or interior. I don’t believe it’s Alt or Nothing but then again, it could be Alt.

Factor into all of that OT analysis - the team does have other needs. He obviously cares about OL as a foundation, but does he see that as the greatest weakness or maximum improvement opportunity? Again I’m ???

can’t wait to find out!

Well it's also because its a QB league and you need OTs to protect the edge. And another good OL the idea is you are adding strength to the OL to help the whole team as Jim mentioned. They can go any direction at # 5, BPA or trade down. They could add anywhere on team but QB, P, PK. As Hortiz stated you are never one player away. BPA all day.