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    2024 NFL draft: Latest buzz, prospect risers, Round 1 rumors

    Mar 29, 2024, 07:00 AM ET

    We're less than one month from Round 1 of the 2024 NFL draft. Draft boards are starting to firm up, team needs are becoming more clear and prospects are making their final on-field statements at pro days across the country. And along the way, intrigue around what every team is going to do on Day 1 is picking up.
    We've heard a lot of buzz about early picks, standout players, potential trades and the quarterback market. So we asked NFL draft analysts Matt Miller, Jordan Reid and Field Yates to break down the latest intel from around the league and dish on what they've heard on the road at pro days this month.
    Who are the biggest pro day risers? Which prospects are our experts higher or lower on than general consensus? And what are the wild-card teams that could surprise everyone in the first round? We get into all that and then let Matt, Jordan and Field empty their scouting notebooks with what they're hearing, seeing and thinking as we near April.


    Which prospect is rising most from his pro day performance?


    Miller: Audric Estime, RB, Notre Dame. One of the biggest surprises of the combine was Estime's 40-yard dash time of 4.71 seconds. No one expected him to break Chris Johnson's 4.24 running back record (2008), but that speed was concerning -- even for a big back at 5-foot-11 and 221 pounds. Estime got redemption at the Notre Dame pro day, though, with a 4.58-second run that is more in line with the speed he has shown on tape. Currently ranked as a late-Round 3 pick on my board, Estime has the power, patience, vision and contact balance of an NFL starting running back. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him among the top three RBs selected in this year's draft.

    Yates: J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan. Hear me out on this, as I know many people are inherently dubious of the value of a quarterback pro day. And I agree, but what makes this situation a little bit different is that McCarthy's throwing session was a chance for the spotlight to be shined mostly on him, something that was not frequently the case at Michigan relative to other top quarterback prospects. The Wolverines were among the top 10 run-heavy teams in the nation, but McCarthy took center stage at the pro day.

    Weighing in at 220 pounds -- up from his listed weight of 202 and in line with his 219 combine number -- McCarthy threw the ball with force and accuracy. Many NFL teams feel there are four top quarterbacks (rather than three),and I would not rule anything out with McCarthy -- obviously other than him going first overall to the Bears. J.J. McCarthy could be an NFL QB for a long time
    Pat McAfee and A.J. Hawk react to Jim Harbaugh's praise of J.J. McCarthy after his pro day at Michigan.



    Reid: Spencer Rattler, QB, South Carolina. I'm going with a quarterback, too. Rattler generated plenty of buzz after his pro day throwing session, and an AFC area scout told me, "I think a team may take a chance on him somewhere in Round 2." Displaying balance, poise and accuracy, Rattler got the ball out with velocity. He worked his way through the workout with confidence, and I counted only five balls that fell to the turf, with three of those being drops. Teams that miss out on a QB early could take a long look at Rattler on Day 2.
    Which prospect are you higher on than consensus?


    Reid: Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan. Even though he's only 5-9 and 182 pounds, Sainristil plays with toughness and could be a starter at nickel in the NFL. He is one of my favorite prospects to watch in this class, and I have him ranked at No. 50. I don't think he'll ultimately get picked in the top 50, though; he's more likely to be selected in the later portions of Day 2. But nickel defenders are very important in today's defensive systems, and I'd bet we'll be wondering in five years why Sainristil -- who picked off six passes last season -- wasn't drafted higher.

    Yates: Maason Smith, DT, LSU. Smith has all the physical tools to become a standout in the NFL, checking in at 6-5 and 306 pounds with long arms and a massive wingspan. He looked the part of a star as a true freshman back in 2021, but a torn ACL in his left knee in 2022 essentially ended his season before it started. A slow start this past season felt to me like he was working his way back into playing shape, and he finished strong. His interior pocket disruption through strength and length will be a problem for offensive linemen. He has been a fixture in my top 50, which feels a full round -- or more -- higher than how most have evaluated him.

    Miller: Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia. I'm surprised by this, because our guy Field is the president of the McConkey Fan Club, but I'm the only one of us who has him ranked in the top 25. McConkey battled through back and ankle injuries in 2023 but put together dominant performances at the Senior Bowl and combine -- including a 4.39-second run in the 40-yard dash. He might be typecast as a slot receiver given his size at 6 feet and 186 pounds, but McConkey has the quickness, burst and hands to be a high-level producer in the NFL. He's at No. 25 on my board even though he is generally considered a second-rounder in the Nos. 40-50 range.
    And which prospect are you lower on than consensus?


    Yates: T'Vondre Sweat, DT, Texas. I'm not sure Sweat is a top-30 or even top-40 player overall. While there's a ton to love about Sweat's game -- he's the most powerful defensive player in the class -- it is rare for a player of his stature (366 pounds) to play a significant number of snaps every week at the next level. Over the past five seasons, there has been just one NFL defensive player listed at 350-plus pounds to play at least 50% of his team's defensive snaps in a season (Michael Pierce at 55% last season). Sweat's flashes are outstanding, but I believe he will be more of a 40-45% player as opposed to someone who plays 60% or more of the snaps. And that makes using a top-64 pick on Sweat a less valuable use of resources in my opinion. EDITOR'S PICKS


    Miller: JC Latham, OT, Alabama. I have Latham at No. 23 overall, quite a bit lower than the top-15 status he gets from many evaluators. His heavy feet stand out way too often when watching him, despite some really good traits (grip strength and power) and the fact that he allowed two sacks in his entire career. Today's NFL requires movement and agility along the offensive line, as the West Coast system's roots touch so many playbooks. Tackles who can get to the second level are now a requirement, and that's not part of Latham's game. Maybe I'm overthinking this or putting too much stock into games against Texas and Michigan in which he struggled. But Latham looks like a good right tackle or even right guard to me, not a potential top-five NFL right tackle with a top-15 ranking.

    Reid: Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma. Guyton anchored the right side of Oklahoma's offensive front and had a really good final season there. The pass-protection traits are appealing, too. But Guyton still has room for improvement as a run-blocker, as his hand usage and balance are inconsistent. He tends to misfire with his hands and slide off blocks. We saw it on tape and again at the Senior Bowl. In a deep offensive tackle class, I have Guyton graded as an early Day 2 prospect and ranked No. 31 overall. But based on consensus, he could be a first-rounder, and it would not be surprising if Guyton is drafted as high as No. 20 to the Steelers.
    Which team picking in the first round is the biggest wild card?


    Miller: Los Angeles Chargers. A new regime is in place with coach Jim Harbaugh and general manager Joe Hortiz running their first draft together, which already brings mystery to the team's first-round approach. But the Chargers also cut wide receiver Mike Williams, traded wideout Keenan Allen and still have an existing need for an offensive tackle to pair with Rashawn Slater, leaving this wide open. Oh, and Harbaugh keeps telling people that McCarthy -- who played for him at Michigan -- is the best quarterback in the draft. With the No. 5 pick, the Chargers could select Notre Dame tackle Joe Alt, take the best receiver on the board or trade down to add draft capital (and get the best tackle or receiver available down the board).

    Reid: New York Giants. With the No. 6 pick, it seems that a lot depends on how they view this year's QB class. If McCarthy or another highly graded passer is still on the board, do the Giants draft him? Daniel Jones hasn't stayed healthy (torn ACL in 2023) and struggled when he did play last season, so GM Joe Schoen could look to take his QB of the future. But wide receiver is an alternative avenue for them. Marvin Harrison Jr. (Ohio State), Malik Nabers (LSU) and Rome Odunze (Washington) are three great options who could be available. The Giants lack a true WR1, and any of them would immediately be the top option for the team as a rookie.

    Yates: Denver Broncos. Picking at No. 12 (for now), I'm struggling to get a grasp on what approach Denver will adopt if it stands pat. Will the Broncos fill their most obvious need at quarterback even if there are few leftover options after teams in the top 10 pursue the top guys? Will they attempt to trade up to secure that quarterback? Of note, Denver is light on draft capital and doesn't have a second-round pick, so a trade up the board would be difficult to execute. Or will the team eschew the QB spot -- and if so, will it go "best player available" at a lesser need (i.e. Alabama CB Terrion Arnold or Georgia TE Brock Bowers)? It's a hard team to figure out. ay 2:01 Matt Miller's blockbuster Broncos trade in his NFL mock draft
    Matt Miller has the Broncos sending three first-round picks to the Cardinals to move up for J.J. McCarthy in his NFL mock draft.
    Let's empty the notebooks with everything else we're hearing and seeing this week

    Miller's notes:
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      One of the most interesting nuggets I've picked up over the past two weeks is that multiple NFL teams have McCarthy ranked ahead of North Carolina's Drake Maye. A high-ranking evaluator I spoke to this week said McCarthy's winning résumé, upside as a mobile QB and impeccable poise under pressure all graded out higher for them than Maye. When under pressure last season, McCarthy completed an FBS-best 68% of his passes and averaged 10 yards per attempt (second-best).
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      In talking to scouts over the past two weeks, it sounds like teams are not as high on Oregon center Jackson Powers-Johnson as the media consensus. JPJ had a strong early performance at the Senior Bowl before leaving the second practice with a hamstring injury. It was that early impression that saw him rise up draft boards. He followed that up with a good showing in position drills at the combine but didn't participate in most of the other drills -- he did only the bench press and vertical/broad jumps -- before shutting it down. The feedback I've received from teams is that while he might go in the first round, it's unlikely that he would be selected in the top 25 picks based on where teams are ranking him.
    Reid's notes:
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      Duke offensive lineman Graham Barton had his pro day Thursday and wowed evaluators in attendance. At 6-5 and 313 pounds, scouts had times in the 4.94-4.97 range for his 40-yard dash and an impressive 7.31-second three-cone drill. Barton is viewed primarily as a center, but many scouts who I talked to mentioned the Titans' Peter Skoronski as a comparison. Some evaluators say Barton could go inside the top 15, pointing to a lack of versatile interior blockers in this class. (I have him ranked at No. 26.)
    • â–ª
      The Patriots and Commanders had the most representation among teams at pro days for LSU's Jayden Daniels (Wednesday) and North Carolina's Maye (Thursday). Both teams were shoulder-to-shoulder standing behind each of the passers. Who the Commanders will take at No. 2 seems like it could go either way, and scouts seemed to love that Maye and Daniels had back-to-back pro days to get a closer look.
    What to know for the 2024 NFL draft


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    Rice wide receiver Luke McCaffrey comes up often in scouting chats, as Christian's younger brother is a fun prospect to study and project. The former quarterback has just two seasons as a receiver under his belt, but he crushed the combine and shows a competitive edge on film. While his route running is still a work in progress, McCaffrey tied with Odunze for the most contested catches in FBS last season with 24. He might need a developmental stage, but he's an early Day 3 pick I would bet on -- and he has a lot of love around the league.
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    There are two positions where teams tell me the order of players will reflect "what you need" more than others: tight end and safety. While Bowers is by far the best tight end in the class, the next one off the board could be any number of players. Texas' Ja'Tavion Sanders excelled after the catch in college but had a pedestrian 40 time at the combine, TCU's Jared Wiley has a massive frame at 6-6 and can run, and Penn State's Theo Johnson had a dominant combine after modest college production. Meanwhile, I feel good about having Utah's Cole Bishop as my top-ranked safety, but there are varying opinions about how that position stacks up, with Kamren Kinchens (Miami), Jaden Hicks (Washington State), Tyler Nubin (Minnesota) and Javon Bullard (Georgia) also in the mix for the best in class.
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    The Washington pro day was full of NFL personnel -- and future NFL talent. Quarterback Michael Penix Jr.'s throwing session was as expected, as the ball flies off his hand effortlessly. I'll continue to contend that he is as impressive as any quarterback throwing from the pocket. He also opted to do the vertical (36.5 inches) and broad (10-foot-5) jumps, and scouts near me clocked him in the 4.56-4.59 range in the 40. And while neither Troy Fautanu or Roger Rosengarten is a sleeper, seeing each of them move up close was impressive. Fautanu's feet might be the best in the class, while Rosengarten is so solid in space. Fautanu sneaking into the top 10 picks in the draft is something I've pondered for my own mock drafts.

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    • Boltnut
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      Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

      Cool. I agree you have to start somewhere. I look at the 2023 OL and I see 3 positions that played worse than Pipkins last year. If the theory is that the 2023 coaching and scheming and calling sucked, ok, let’s think about that. I look at 2022 Pipkins and he played well. If we want to seriously upgrade the rush game, that comes from OGs and OC. Do our current guys have it? They didn’t last year but I think bad coaching and prepping infected the entire OL - even Slater. I just don’t know.

      I think a very good RT can be later Rd1 and thru the second round. It is not a #5 pick priority for me. I’ve come around to the trade back preference too. If they trade down and take Fuaga, thats ok with me. If Bowers was there, I’d take Bowers and get the RT at 23. OGs and OCs can be found later, depending on JH2 analyses of need.

      I think our bigger problem is DT, I’ve posted it enough. 2 great edge rushers and no pressure up the middle sucks for them. 2 great edge rushers PLUS pressure up the middle lets them eat til they are full.
      Like you, I have many questions about the IOL. Like you, I suspect that coaching and scheme help a lot.
      The trade-back scenario is my favorite. Bowers is my 2nd favorite @that #11 spot. If they choose a RT @#23... fine with me.
      Having said that, Fuaga's run blocking is far superior to a #23 RT prospect. Trey's 2022 was mediocre. PFF's grade on him was a 59.2 Berate PFF all you want... but I'll take Bobby Slowik's, Zac Robinson's, Bruce Gradkowski's, and Gunther Cunningham's evaluations over most everyone else's takes. We all know that Lombardi's popgun offense protected Pipkin's issues, too. When it comes to establishing the run, Fuaga > Bowers... as good as Bowers is at blocking, Fuaga is exponentially better.

      DT is a huge problem... but I'm not over-drafting @#11 or #23. #37 will have some DT's that fit Minter's system perfectly. Kris Jenkins and Ruke Orhorohor would complete the DL squad. They brought in Braden Fiske for an official visit... so they are keenly aware of the problem.

      Even moreso, I am concerned about the LB position. Perryman was brought in... but I don't see him as an every own LB. His struggles in zone coverage are well-documented. I would be very comfortable rotating him with Daiyan Henly in certain situations (run/pass). That leaves us short a 3-down LB. Specifically, I'd like to see a LB that can do it all (blitz included). Their official visit with Edgerrin Cooper signifies their deep concerns @LB as well. Trevin Wallace is another LB visit they are tied to as well. Trevin has many of the same qualities Cooper has... with less draft capital involved.

      The 30th pass defense is being attributed to Staley's style/scheme. But the fact remains, we are missing quality players there, too. Fulton is a nice short-term vet add. But the position will have to be addressed long-term, high quality as well.

      If you are committing to a TE/WR @#5... you are forgoing a vital need... probably 2 Even if you trade-back (going TE and RT in the 1st... you are ignoring a vital need at 1 of those positions (DT, LB, CB). The draft is a team-building exercise... not a beauty contest.
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      • Boltnut
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        Originally posted by Chargers8491 View Post

        I know a WR that is on the verge of being a cap casualty and could be traded for. Am I in this esteem group?...lol
        I'm not trying throw shade at any specific TPB members.
        I am saying that if you listen to these interviews, there are very specific hints as to how they will probably draft... how they view their offense and defense... and what they value. I could start quoting them... but I think my "Run the ball and protect the QB" is wearing thin.
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        • Chargers8491
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          Originally posted by SAY OW 55 View Post
          I think one thing people aren’t talking about is offense. We all say trenches and run the ball.

          Justin Herbert is way better than Lamar Jackson or Collin Kaepernick. I think he has elite arm talent. You can open it up and throw downfield.

          I don’t think you need a vanilla offense. And I don’t think you need to dumb it down for him.

          While I do like running the football. I don’t think this needs to be running where it’s clear our Quarterback can’t throw the ball.

          I think there needs to be an emphasis for skill at 5 Harrison Jr. or Malik Nabers. Or Romeo Oudunzie.
          My initial thoughts both on offense and defense won't be vanilla but also won't be over complex like the last few years. They will use more disguise vs complex. Last couple years it looked like you had these nerds drawing all these complex plays and the players were standing around looking at each other like WTF.
          Adopted Bolt: QJ

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            Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

            I'm not trying throw shade at any specific TPB members.
            I am saying that if you listen to these interviews, there are very specific hints as to how they will probably draft... how they view their offense and defense... and what they value. I could start quoting them... but I think my "Run the ball and protect the QB" is wearing thin.
            No worries brother. I was just having some fun wasn't serious. I think we all want the same but have different ways of getting there but you are right they are giving some bread crumbs of how they are going to operate.

            Honestly, for me the o-line is so hard to evaluate because last year was such a huge cluster fuck. The coaching and play calling were atrocious. I mean it's easy to say the oline sucked but when the other team knows you can't run and are going to pass it's pretty easy to know how that is going to go.
            Adopted Bolt: QJ

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            • Boltnut
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              Originally posted by Xenos View Post



              Thanks for the confirmation Xenos! I'm not 100% on his evaluation... but I think the sentiment is correct.
              It seems that Colson has a skillset that not only appeals to Minter... but can be appreciated by many NFL defenses. His stock continues to rise. The #37 slot is probably more accurate than the #69 slot. Cooper is the consensus #1 (traits and production) and seems slotted around #23. Payton Wilson has the traits and skillset... but not sure if #37 is a bit high for him. His injury history may warrant a #69 slot... but Trevin Wallace will give him a run-for-his-money there as well. I get the Chargers LB vibe might be: Cooper @#23... Colson @#37... Wallace @#69.
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              • charger1_sj
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                Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                I would never suggest running the ball with 2 minutes left. Better coaching/play-calling/recognition has hopefully been fixed.
                I think we have the personnel to address this situation. QJ and DD split out should keep safeties deep. Hurst and JP do work underneath with the defense stretched deep. Gus the Bus picks up the blitz.

                If you have grabbed a better RT in the draft, the ever-seeping right side should hold up... no extra help needed. More players in the pattern.
                If you haven't picked up a better RT in the draft... good luck. The fastest, best route runner will not have time... he'll run 40 yards in 4.28 seconds... and your QB will be crushed in 2.5 seconds. It's like replacing the fenders on a car that has a blown head gasket.

                It's one thing to talk about having a good running game earlier in the game... it's quite another to invest in the personnel to make it happen.
                Nothing tires out a defense like long sustained drives early in a game. Again, you have to have the personnel to make it happen. Go get a RT in the 1st round... get your gazelles later.

                We are sooooooo close in agreement. I can see you get it.
                Just two questions for you.

                1. We stay at 5, RT or MH2?
                2. We stay at 5. RT or Nabers?

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                  Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post

                  Just two questions for you.

                  1. We stay at 5, RT or MH2?
                  2. We stay at 5. RT or Nabers?
                  question for you: SB or SuperChargers ??

                  Fuaga pls,

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                  • Boltnut
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                    Originally posted by Ghost of Quacksaw View Post

                    (1) If they stay at #5, it's a wideout.

                    (2) They won't draft any other position at #5

                    (3) Yes, I expect the Chargers will be involved in a trade down from #5. No certainties, though, because a suitable offer has to materialize.
                    My preference for the #3 scenario is well documented. I think your stances for #1 and #2 scenarios (must draft WR @#5) are not necessarily true if you look at the actions they've taken or the philosophies of coaches and the GM.

                    I'll start with their interest in Joe Alt. Alt was one of the first interviews @the combine. Either this is because he is a legitimate consideration @#5 or they are contemplating a trade with the Jets @#10.

                    A legitimate #5 argument: We know "Run the ball and protect the QB" philosophy is in play. Alt is considered the best OT because he does both well. Add in the fact that Hortiz will allow a premium player to test FA if a tenable contract cannot be reached (think Slater in 2 years)... and drafting Alt over a WR seems to fit his style. He would have no problem filling a need @RT for a couple years... then sliding him to LT if a reasonable contract can't be worked out with Slater. Indeed the team has reportedly already started on a Slater extension (a year earlier than expected). We all assume Slater will be extended. But the Herbert contract starts paying him $46m in 2026... $58m in 2027... $71m in 2028. Can the team have a franchise QB salary and a franchise LT salary at the same time...? Probably. But the next question might be... what can be done with the rest of the cap should they choose not to carry the franchise LT contract concurrently...?

                    There are a lot of moving parts to consider when building a roster long-term.
                    Wether we like QJ or not... he was the long-term decision (with 3 or 4 years to go on the contract).
                    Pipkins, on the other hand, has 1 more year on his contract (before significant savings can be had).
                    Biggest question is... does Pipkins fit the new scheme/philosophy...?

                    The BPA argument will be had with Hortiz/Harbaugh when pick #5 is here. But we have no idea what their Big Board looks like... and neither do the pundits.
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                      Originally posted by beachcomber View Post

                      question for you: SB or SuperChargers ??

                      Fuaga pls,
                      1 RT is not going to get us to the SB, if that's what you're getting at. Neither is a top receiver for that matter. This team has a lot of needs
                      and it doesn't stop at offense. That's why many believe trading down is the best option. We may or may not have that option. So in that
                      case which way do we go? Receiver or RT? Neither one gets us to the SB. One of those may make us SuperChargers, but I'm not saying
                      which one.

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                      • Boltnut
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                        Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post

                        Just two questions for you.

                        1. We stay at 5, RT or MH2?
                        2. We stay at 5. RT or Nabers?
                        Probably MHJ, Alt, Nabers, Fuaga, Bowers (in that order).
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                        • charger1_sj
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                          Originally posted by Boltnut View Post

                          My preference for the #3 scenario is well documented. I think your stances for #1 and #2 scenarios (must draft WR @#5) are not necessarily true if you look at the actions they've taken or the philosophies of coaches and the GM.

                          I'll start with their interest in Joe Alt. Alt was one of the first interviews @the combine. Either this is because he is a legitimate consideration @#5 or they are contemplating a trade with the Jets @#10.

                          A legitimate #5 argument: We know "Run the ball and protect the QB" philosophy is in play. Alt is considered the best OT because he does both well. Add in the fact that Hortiz will allow a premium player to test FA if a tenable contract cannot be reached (think Slater in 2 years)... and drafting Alt over a WR seems to fit his style. He would have no problem filling a need @RT for a couple years... then sliding him to LT if a reasonable contract can't be worked out with Slater. Indeed the team has reportedly already started on a Slater extension (a year earlier than expected). We all assume Slater will be extended. But the Herbert contract starts paying him $46m in 2026... $58m in 2027... $71m in 2028. Can the team have a franchise QB salary and a franchise LT salary at the same time...? Probably. But the next question might be... what can be done with the rest of the cap should they choose not to carry the franchise LT contract concurrently...?

                          There are a lot of moving parts to consider when building a roster long-term.
                          Wether we like QJ or not... he was the long-term decision (with 3 or 4 years to go on the contract).
                          Pipkins, on the other hand, has 1 more year on his contract (before significant savings can be had).
                          Biggest question is... does Pipkins fit the new scheme/philosophy...?

                          The BPA argument will be had with Hortiz/Harbaugh when pick #5 is here. But we have no idea what their Big Board looks like... and neither do the pundits.
                          You do know that most of the guys we interview do not get drafted by us. There is obviously a lot of reasons for that. But just bringing guys in doesn't
                          guarantee anything.

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