Who is Your Selection @17 ?? !!

[wu-dai clan]

I really like Charlie Cross (at RT).....don't expect him to be available.

I also think there will be someone good sitting at pick #48 at RT

Based on what i figure they will do & not do in free agency, their major draft needs will be in this order:

1. corner
2a. DT
2b. RT
3. edge

Drafting a corner, who will play as many snaps as the starters will be essential: they can't miss out.
Between RT/DT, select the best player over position (round 1 - 3) when the time comes to select either.
Draft depth at the other positions...hope someone is still around in the 3rd.


If they don't resign Mdub /Whiz, they'll have more money to play with in free agency and their needs will change.

Agreed.
I would argue that any DB with Slot capability, Derwin redundancy (free him up!), ST value, Alohi/Webb depth chart challenging, is a priority.
Maybe that plus an UFA, developmental draft pick will be enough.

What are our weakest links ?
--CHJ (age)
--Tillery (skillset)
--Storm (talent level)

But back to CB.
Think about it.
CHJ.
Vato struggling with new coverage techniques.
ASJ post concussions.
The depth situation is scary.

[powderblueboy]

Agreed.
I would argue that any DB with Slot capability, Derwin redundancy (free him up!), ST value, Alohi/Webb depth chart challenging, is a priority.
Maybe that plus an UFA, developmental draft pick will be enough.

What are our weakest links ?
--CHJ (age)
--Tillery (skillset)
--Storm (talent level)

But back to CB.
Think about it.
CHJ.
Vato struggling with new coverage techniques.
ASJ post concussions.
The depth situation is scary.

And it looks like they will not have enough left to grab a sure fire starting corner in free agency.

Equivocation and others have come up with $17 million to play around with, after resigning their own players:
not enough to grab a starting DT and corner (without luck), among other low level needs.

DT is a more reliable signing....and rookies seemingly need longer to develop.

Interesting development if they don't resign Mdub: then they can get a corner in free agency to start & select one of the receivers remaining at #17.
The Ohio State (including Jameson) receivers might be the best value at #17.

[powderblueboy]

Having said that, our enthusiasm for speed at wide out doesn't necessarily reflect Lombo and Telesco's.
Lombo's offense requires precision route running.

[wu-dai clan]

And it looks like they will not have enough left to grab a sure fire starting corner in free agency.

Equivocation and others have come up with $17 million to play around with, after resigning their own players:
not enough to grab a starting DT and corner (without luck), among other low level needs.

DT is a more reliable signing....and rookies seemingly need longer to develop.

Interesting development if they don't resign Mdub: then they can get a corner in free agency to start & select one of the receivers remaining at #17.
The Ohio State (including Jameson) receivers might be the best value at #17.

I have some mid-tier unmentioned UFAs, and some outlier draftees in mind.

We got this.

:thumbsup:

[beachcomber]

Interesting development if they don't resign Mdub: then they can get a corner in free agency to start & select one of the receivers remaining at #17.
The Ohio State (including Jameson) receivers might be the best value at #17.

being a guy who isn't necessarily enamored w/any of the early CB, RT nor DT prospects, and much prefer WR, that is the draft/offseason stratagem that has my attention atm.

Having said that, our enthusiasm for speed at wide out doesn't necessarily reflect Lombo and Telesco's.
Lombo's offense requires precision route running.

getting mixed reviews on Garrett Wilson, as is he an underneath guy that is a heady route runner, or does he have long speed, and gets better as the route tree develops ??

[beachcomber]

these are the guys that eye don't think are returning/need to replaced on roster....

Guyton
MW
Cook
Anderson
Justin Jackson
Linval
Covington
Fackrell
CHJ
Ty Long
Andre Roberts

and Murray gets/has to be moved/traded

[ghost]

Defensive line takes the cake … Over the past few days we have been tracking the various reports and commentaries from this week’s Senior Bowl practices in Mobile. And while the QB class, not surprisingly, got the majority of the buzz, the position group that got the most props were the defensive line. As our colleague, Pigskin Paul Guillemette noted in his report earlier today, UConn NT Travis Jones may have been the most impressive player in Mobile this week. Jones never got a whole lot of attention this fall playing on a lousy 1-11 UConn team, whose only win was over Yale from the Ivy League, but the 6-4.5, 333 pounder was impossible this week, as he was simply unblockable in the individual and team drills. The Huskies’ Jones, though, was not the only DL to have a really good week in Mobile. DTs Perrion Winfrey of Oklahoma and Georgia’s Devonte Wyatt also had outstanding weeks, as did DEs Jermaine Johnson of Florida State, South Carolina’s JJ Enagbare, and Houston’s Logan Hall.

The ‘Noles’ Johnson, who is arguably the highest ranked player at the Senior Bowl this week, is particularly interesting. Right now there is something of a gap between DEs Aidan Hutchinson of Michigan and Oregon’s Kayvon Thibodeaux, the two top-rated players at the position in this year’s draft, and the next level of DEs which includes guys like George Karlaftis of Purdue and Hutchinson’s Michigan teammate David Ojabo. However, while Karlaftis is strong and technically superior, he isn’t all that fast or explosive, while Ojabo is a blur coming off the edge, but not much else. And that could give an opportunity to someone like Johnson to get some looks as early as the top 10, given the importance of the position.

https://gbnreport.com

EDGE Jermaine Johnson

[Boltjolt]

these are the guys that eye don't think are returning/need to replaced on roster....

Guyton
MW
Cook
Anderson
Justin Jackson
Linval
Covington
Fackrell
CHJ
Ty Long
Andre Roberts

and Murray gets/has to be moved/traded

Mostly agree except for the first 2 on the list.

[beachcomber]

Mostly agree except for the first 2 on the list.

understood, and has always been your prerogative, and.... looking by position, would say wideout (if minus MW), and CB are the two most likely first round candidates ??

WR * if MW is not resigned, then a first round replacement is def on the table me would thinx ??
TE * think everyone agrees that there is no Kyle Pitts in this draft
RB * again don't see an LT or like in the bunch
OT * had to add this one in, as gotta give this some consideration given our situation w/Pips 'n Storm
NT * if we don't resign Joseph, it does make sense to consider Jordan Davis @17, but given that many of us here think we'll look IDL in FA, and that some of us aren't certain he'll be on board come 17, think it's unlikely that we hold out for a single player, vs. the receiver and corner groups, which both have multiple first round options, so you are less likely to be left holding the (empty) bag
DT * again given that we've already got a couple there, and that we may do something here in FA, and not sure there is a bonafide cluster @17, it prolly makes more sense to wait for day two or to take care of your biz in FA, and make IDL a luxury pick in the draft ??
ED * if they resign Uchenna, they do it as their starter, which lessens the need for one there, and would more so be looking for a Bosa backup/Fackrell replacement, no ??
LB * if they resign Kyzir, on top of Drue and on top of Obong and Niemann, that not only makes Murray a luxury, but a first round selection unlikely ??
CB * it's easy/not too difficult to spin the depth @alotta positions as on the scary side, as wud mentions the state of the cover corners union as borderline dire, and given there is a crop of 'em throughout round one and perhaps up until 48, think the likelihood is high, unless they nab a solid in FA, which eye think is the better option, and then to let the draft come to you @corner after that.

so based on my board, which would include Stingley, Jordan Davis, Jameson Williams, Garrett Wilson, and Nakobe Dean, then am thinking something like so....

DT Jerry Tillery, FS Nasir Adderly, OT Trey Pipkins, LB Drue Tranquil, CB Tevaughn Campbell (and GM Tom Telesco) all have contracts that come up a year from now in 2023, and so....

@LB, they're gonna wait 'n see what happens w/Kyzir, then Staley is gonna have to decide on the fate/future of Murray, as Telesco is clearly not married to him, as he was sure to let the world know that 'twas AL that was the catalyst for that trade up, and so if and only if the both of Kyzir and Murray don't return as Chargers, then Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd would make a whole/hellah lot more sense, coz Drue ain't due 'til next offseason, and we're already full up w/Obong 'n Niemann, and so not expecting much in the way of a first round consideration here ??

@ED, if they don't resign Uchenna, then that may open the door for a first round consideration, and which the some of us like Travon Walker, and the some other of us who lean JJ2, and there are others including Ojabo, Leal, and possibly even the likes of Cameron Thomas or Drake Jackson that could be in play, but again think it more likely than not they resign Nwosu, and personally not overly convinced that many if any of the aforementioned are locks for consideration as high as 17 ??

@IDL, unless you like Leal and/or Walker to slide inside for you, that pretty much leaves Jordan Davis as the lone consideration come 17, and given the history of others @his position and w/his talent, there is a likelihood, if not high, that he could well be off the board by 17, and all your eggs could be in the wrong basket, let alone that there are (plentiful) options in FA.

@RB/TE, def think both of these positions demand immediate attention and must be filled by reliable vets, before even considering bringing in rooks to compete as well, and as said before, 17 is bereft of any said RB/TE talent, @least as things stand as they are.

@OT, things get a little bit more interesting, as interest in the likes of Penning is high, Jeremiah has slotted Raimann to us, and while dropping Cross below our Mason Dixon line, and the SB has pushed the name of Darian Kinnard a bit more front row and center, so there is def more than one name to get excited about and to cover your pick of need, albeit like ED, am not convinced that too many if any of this bunch is truly what eye would call value @17 ??

@WR, there again is more than one name to get excited about here, as besides Garrett Wilson and Jameson Williams, there is Drake London and Treylon Burks who all seem to have cemented a value somewhere in the range of middle of the first round, and which of course could be of interest to us, and for the if and when like Kyzir, we find out the fate/future of MW*

@CB, think the most of us consider it a hereto foregone conclusion that CHJ will not be a Charger next offseason, and given our rooks' concussion and our No. 1's reverb as that he's really a No. 2, it makes a whole hellah lotta sense to be looking CB @17, and as many have suggested that No. 1 corners don't grow on trees, and are a scarce lot come FA, and so the some of you are convinced that there is talent/value to be had @CB come 17, and whereas @least myself, outside of Stingley, is less than convinced that going corner would be prescient/prudent come 17, and would rather take care of that biz/noise in FA, and rather pick up an adjunct CB in the draft, for the if and when he falls into our lap and provides good value.

from what (little) we know, the team Tommy John mandate is that we like to take care of our own, so the lean is gonna be toward expecting our own (FAs) to be resigned, and where the most recent mandate from Brandon, is that we are looking for "value," in the draft yes, and in FA as well tho, which for all we know, could stem the tide in team friendly extensions, and rather it's a new day and that we look more closely @who we resign from within, and make sure that we are still getting good value w/our own in house FAs, and not overpaying as has been the case w/team Tommy John @times.

[beachcomber]

re MW* there is an asterisk for a reason, as the situation @WR could be a watershed moment for the direction of this team/franchise.

am sure there are other times, but the two that eye recall are when we spent FA monies on Travis Benjamin rather than fortifying the line w/the likes of a Bobbie Massie.

we also drafted MW in lieu of Ryan Ramczyk....

point is that we have gone skill position before beef, and see how we are....

if we resign MW, let alone tag/franchise him, we will be right back where we started, beefing up the skill positions @the detriment of our lines and front 7.

if we don't resign MW, then we can take that $12.5m and make a darn fine dent in any IDL revamp.

we also avoid overspending on WR, and given that there is obvious talent in round one, and not so much @OT or OG, it might make sense to be prepared for the inevitable departure/retirement of KA, and to hedge against our third round "value" @WR last draft, as well as the possible departure of Guyton.

if we do go FA to shore up any said vacancy in the WR room, it doesn't have to be lavish, as all we need is a solid, and can prolly acquire said talent for in the neighborhood of $5m or so/year ??

will also add that personally am fine waiting on Oline 'til day/round two, as still like Zion better than any of your OTs, and if he's off the board, am guessing there will be a serviceable big in his place, if need be ??

after that, just hoping for the best for supplemental talents @CB, P, etc. (NT, DT, ED, LB, S, OG, RB, TE, WR.... that's 11

ps. my FA budget is as follows:

NT $3.5m (Danny Shelton)
DT $6.5m (BJ Hill)
CB $6m (Levi Wallace.... just make a fair/firm offer and hope for the best.... there will be someone else if he opts not to sign w/us)
RB $5m (D'Ernest Jones/Ronald Jones.... would sign the both of 'em @their Sportrac market value, but def nab @least the one of 'em, and willing to overpay and early for a solid RB)
TE $3m (OJ Howard via trade sending Murray out)
WR $5m (Cedrick Wilson/JuJu Smith.... again, just make said offer in good faith, and trust that the best will come/it all falls together)

my thought is that the main problems/deficiency on D were Tillery and Harris, hence the investments there, and think the biggest opportunity to improve the O is @RB, hence the dollars spent there, and also do not want to take the chance of leaving any cupboard bare in the receiving room, hence the reinforcement @WR, and of course will take me some Danny Shelton @NT, and for the usual discount....

am also drafting every single one of those positions as well, to provide depth, and for the off chance that we might find some real talent there as well.

[beachcomber]

burnin' the midnight oil here, and.... had the thought to take a look @2023, and.... bit of a wow,

Walter has a guy, OT Peter Skoronski penciled into us, who can play the OC as well.

there is more than one RB slotted in round one, one of which is Bijan Robinson, who caught my eye early in the process this last season.

there are TEs as well, and lookey out, as one of 'em is a Golden Domer/from ND.... :O

and if things go south (again) for us next season, we can (again/always) "suck for Sewell," who looks like a hellah ILB.

and no doubt there is a CB or coupla few.... looks like a pretty good cluster to start w/already,

[beachcomber]

this is a guy that Ninj is apparently high on for 2023,

CALIJAH KANCEY (IDL) PITT (ACC) - RSO - 6’ / 275#
-ELITE PROSPECT, GAME CHANGER/PLAYMAKER, STUD athlete w/incredible power/quickness, ++athlete/++raw power/+++leverage/++speed/+++quickness/++hand fighting technique/tenacity, lightning QUICK/all day powerful/exploits natural leverage, explosive 1st-step/quick 2nd-3rd, converts quick/explosive S2P, comic book power in hand strikes, obvious wrestling background, ELITE hand usage/full PR arsenal (deadly spin,quick wrist snatch, single-double 1&2 arm swipes, hesitation step-slap-bull, shoulder strike-elbow lift-dip-rip, shoulder snatch-1 arm post drive, more), strength/leverage/flexibility/quickness to counter doubles, draws double/triple teams, pocket disrupter, relentless pursuit/finishing motor, size is a small concern/plays like a 50# heavier man

https://youtu.be/j_R75cFzYtY
https://youtu.be/kA2xRQrxnJA

ps. keep your eye out for nfldraft.ninja (his wifey got him the domain name, but don't think he's yet to get it up and running....)