2022 Official Bolts Draft Superthread

[beachcomber]

14. TYLER BADIE Missouri 5th-6th SR. 5080 197 4.45 (1.50) 29 3/8 9 1/8 71 3/8 22.23

22. D’VONTE PRICE FIU 6th-7th rSR. 6013 210 4.38 (1.52) 31 1/2 9 3/8 76 3/4 22.91

[FoutsFan]

There is no chance that GB would give up that much to move up all of 5 spots from pick #22. The picks you have suggested as compensation would be worth our #17 pick and HOU's #13 pick with us still owing a late 5th round draft pick value. Chart compensation values indicate that GB's #28 and #59 would be a slight overpayment for our pick #17, but something more in line with that would be more likely if GB were determined to move up and willing to overpay slightly.

IMO, if we do not like our options at #17 and we could move back and pick up a 2nd round pick in the process, I would be happy with that result as we would end up with a first and second round pick even after the Mack trade only with both picks being a little later in each round than they would have been. I think a lot will depend on who is on the board at #17. I do not see a pre-draft trade happening and think a trade back at #17 is unlikely as Telesco has never done that in his 9 previous drafts.

That was exactly my point. It is foolishly gambling to trade down. So if someone asks make absurd demands and if they give it then great. If not then you take the best player and do not force yourself to take a lesser player for garbage.

Trading down is absolutely the wrong way to go.

[FoutsFan]

Jones was never going to draft Bosa. That the Cowboys wanted to draft Elliott all along was the worst kept secret in the Metroplex.

IMO, small trade backs can be very useful in many situations, but not as useful in a case like you propose where the (only) guy the team really wants is sitting on the board at #17. In that case, it may make sense not to trade back.

But given the way that this year's draft is shaping up, my expectation is that there will be multiple useful players on the board at #17, but I do not see a Slater or better level player (at any position) being on the board at #17.

So, if we like 3 players on the board at #17, do we trade back to #22? In cases like this, I think some analysis has to have been done regarding 1) what the teams drafting from #18-21 are likely to do and 2) the likelihood of other teams taking the players we like by trading into those spots. Draft pick trades happen, but are not all that common, so even if it makes sense for a potential trade to happen in theory, it is still not an odds on proposition. The statistically expected number of trades happening within that span during the draft would probably be well under one.

IMO, this second scenario that I have outlined is a more likely scenario. IMO, the team should have an analysis ready for this situation and adjust its draft approach accordingly. I would not dismiss an opportunity to trade back simply because there is some risk that the players that the team wants may not be there at #22 in the example cited, especially if the risk is fairly small and the team stands to pick up a second round pick in the process.

The Cowgirls were going to draft Bosa, the Elliot leaks were all part of liars month.

Trading down is a terrible option. It would be like TT flinching in the first 5 seconds of a game of chicken. I will always dismiss trading back unless someone gives you an offer that is so over the top as I suggested 2 1sts and 2 2nds for moving back 5 spots. Otherwise piss off no deal. Take the best player and move on.

This idea that comes up every year of trading back until we have all of the 7th round picks for the entire draft is just not a winning strategy.

[Boltjolt]

I see it as an extremely weak RB class with Breece as the surest thing amongst a bunch of duds.

As far as day 3 guys…I like Cook and White and maybe Ty Chandler.

Z. Knight could be good as a 3rd down/KR specialist. Cook may also be a 3rd down only guy unless he fills his frame. Otherwise durability will be an issue.

My dark horse is Max Borghi. His contact balance, which apparently some folks around here don’t appreciate, is remarkable.

The others don’t excite me much. Not even Spiller.

I guess Walker could be really good. He’s got speed, decent vision and burst.

But again, the day 3 crop is dismal.

Thank you. I keep reading how these lower rounds are filled with RB gems and I'm like ,.....huh?

Tell you what, Jovante Williams last year was my #1 RB. I don't feel about anyone in this draft as I did about him but I do really like Breece Hall...., and I'd be happy with Walker.

I like some RBs in the 3-4 round range, after that I'm not inspired. Zamir White leads my list for those guys. Throw in Ford, Rashad White, and Pierce. Not big on Brian Robinson or Spiller.
I do like Cook but it's a size issue with me.

Borghi I mentioned during the college season. Runs hard , decent speed , can catch. Could be a nice sleeper.

[eaterfan]

The Cowgirls were going to draft Bosa, the Elliot leaks were all part of liars month.

Trading down is a terrible option. It would be like TT flinching in the first 5 seconds of a game of chicken. I will always dismiss trading back unless someone gives you an offer that is so over the top as I suggested 2 1sts and 2 2nds for moving back 5 spots. Otherwise piss off no deal. Take the best player and move on.

This idea that comes up every year of trading back until we have all of the 7th round picks for the entire draft is just not a winning strategy.

You're using the 2016 draft to show that trading back is a bad idea? The Chargers could have traded down and still gotten Jalen Ramsey, Ronnie Stanley, Deforest Buckner, or Laramey Tunsil in the first. I like Bosa, but even if all we picked up was an extra second I'd rather have any of the players listed in round one and Xavien Howard, Michael Thomas, or Derrick Henry in the second.

[Lone Bolt]

You're using the 2016 draft to show that trading back is a bad idea? The Chargers could have traded down and still gotten Jalen Ramsey, Ronnie Stanley, Deforest Buckner, or Laramey Tunsil in the first. I like Bosa, but even if all we picked up was an extra second I'd rather have any of the players listed in round one and Xavien Howard, Michael Thomas, or Derrick Henry in the second.

Its also a bad example, in that even if you believe losing out on Bosa is the sticking point, we are not picking top 5. There are a couple of players that could fall to us, that would preclude a trade down...McDuffie, Stingley, Cross...maybe on of the WRs, if our staff really like them....but for the first time since the draft we picked Tillery, I think a trade down will likely be the best scenario for the Bolts.

Folks on here say TT never trades down...but we will see. He does tend to work with his coaches, and heed their needs/requests...if Staley has fallen in love with a player(s) that can be picked up late first/early second...you might see a deal getting done.

Barring a slide by one of the aforementioned players, a trade down is easily my favorite scenario...and again, for the first time since that Tillery draft, it most likely won't be a specific players name Ill be hoping to see, but the word "Trade" flashing across the screen.

[powderblueboy]

I really, really, really want to put the exclamation point on this defense ~ @ #17 !!!!!!!!!!

The 4rth & 5th guys are RG/backup center, the 6th guy is our qb after an opposing defense put an exclamation point on him.
You want your precious defense to be out on the field all game?

[Chargerfreak]

The 4rth & 5th guys are RG/backup center, the 6th guy is our qb after an opposing defense put an exclamation point on him.
You want your precious defense to be out on the field all game?

LOL@the6thguy

[Lone Bolt]

The Slater level plug n play types will be gone. I would not go for the clean Guard prospect Zion. The value at #17 would be EDGE or DB. The round three IOL pool will be excellent.

The right side solution will involve Jaimes, Pipkins and maybe Feiler. Someone is going to cut a vet ORT, guaranteed. Sign him and count on better results than Bulaga.

In spite of the strong urge to try and fix ORT at #17 or #79, I must candidly say question marks abound. My guess is LAC will wait and see if Pipkins takes to Manyweather's private tutelage or not.

No problem picking a guard for me...but I hear you on the rest. I also, like you, think RT plan, popular or not, is a player on the roster, with a possible vet addition post draft.

[Lone Bolt]

The 4rth & 5th guys are RG/backup center, the 6th guy is our qb after an opposing defense put an exclamation point on him.
You want your precious defense to be out on the field all game?

You like to blast other's for their solutions...what is yours, sticking at 17? Cross there is a pipedream, and you already trashed Penning...Raimann is as raw as penning, but 3 to 4 years older, and a consensus reach. Lucas? Really? Just curious.

[wu-dai clan]

As we get closer to the draft,
personal opinion gets conflated with predicting what the Chargers will do.

IMV, getting off the field defensively on third down is a bigger problem than ORT,
and my prediction is that the Chargers see it that way too.

Stingley, Dax Hill or Booth @ #17.

Bye.

[Chargerfreak]

As we get closer to the draft,
personal opinion gets conflated with predicting what the Chargers will do.

IMV, getting off the field defensively on third down is a bigger problem than ORT,
and my prediction is that the Chargers see it that way too.

Stingley, Dax Hill or Booth @ #17.

Bye.

Hello wu-dai clan !!! Going defense in the first eh ? The Jordan Davis talked has iced over huh ?